Ukraine vs. Russia (Read 360304 times)

changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #800 on: March 23, 2022, 12:12:41 PM »
1 city 90% leveled. But IDK if by carpet bombing or what other source. Mari something.

QUIETShooter

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #801 on: March 23, 2022, 12:22:35 PM »
Probably Mariupol.  That's the city where Russia gave an ultimatum to lay down arms and they said no....
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

drck1000

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #802 on: March 23, 2022, 12:31:36 PM »
"Come and take them"

aieahound

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #803 on: March 23, 2022, 12:31:44 PM »
‘You’re a Guy – Go to the War’ – Transgender Women Turned Away at Ukraine’s Borders, Told They Must Fight

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/guy-go-war-transgender-women-turned-away-ukraines-borders-told-must-fight/?utm_source=Gettr&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

Looks like Corporal Klinger is fighting in this one.

Mariupol been getting slammed. Russia wants to establish a land route permanently to Crimea.
No facts behind this statement.

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #804 on: March 23, 2022, 02:04:36 PM »
Mariupol been getting slammed.

Is that a city or were we still talking about trans women?
If you dissolve your enemies in acid, technically that's turning your problems into a solution.

aieahound

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #805 on: March 23, 2022, 05:24:59 PM »
So wrong….but  :rofl:

aletheuo137

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #806 on: March 23, 2022, 05:42:38 PM »
Is that a city or were we still talking about trans women?
You know... Marie Upol

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hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #807 on: March 23, 2022, 10:35:20 PM »
If you dissolve your enemies in acid, technically that's turning your problems into a solution.

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #808 on: March 24, 2022, 11:44:13 AM »
And here it is.  Zelensky is accusing Russia of using chemical weapons in Ukraine and demands assistance/intervention from the US empire / NATO.







False Flag Warning!  Biden's warning that Russia will use chemical or biological weapons in Ukraine means the US empire is preparing such an event to blame Putin.



hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #809 on: March 24, 2022, 11:53:51 AM »
If you dissolve your enemies in acid, technically that's turning your problems into a solution.

changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #810 on: March 24, 2022, 12:48:26 PM »


Is the enemy of my enemy my friend?  I mean they are funded by a Jew, so who knows.

groveler

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #811 on: March 24, 2022, 02:58:45 PM »
One interesting thing about this Civil war in Ukraine, is that we don't believe anybody.
We know lots of "stuff" but a wise man would question all of it.
I don't believe anything my own government says, much less what Russian or Ukraine
governments put out.
I'm pretty sure people are dying and there is a power struggle.
I can also see the economics of the entire world just got
turned upside down.
That is about it.
One thing thing that is for sure, is that the Globalization  and
elimination of NUKEs of the world train just got derailed.
Had Ukraine kept it's NUKEs there would have been no invasion
and if we made our own "chips" we would not be planing
for a war in Taiwan.
Aloha.
 :shaka:

mrgaf

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #812 on: March 24, 2022, 03:10:34 PM »
One interesting thing about this Civil war in Ukraine, is that we don't believe anybody.
We know lots of "stuff" but a wise man would question all of it.
I don't believe anything my own government says, much less what Russian or Ukraine
governments put out.
I'm pretty sure people are dying and there is a power struggle.
I can also see the economics of the entire world just got
turned upside down.
That is about it.
One thing thing that is for sure, is that the Globalization  and
elimination of NUKEs of the world train just got derailed.
Had Ukraine kept it's NUKEs there would have been no invasion
and if we made our own "chips" we would not be planing
for a war in Taiwan.
Aloha.
 :shaka:

Amen to that! :thumbsup:
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #813 on: March 24, 2022, 04:21:05 PM »
At this point I'm rootin' for Putin. 

Our criminal government who stole the 2020 election, shut down free speech, forced people to take poison drugs, opened up the border to human trafficking narco terrorists, and is now ensuring the mass starvation of our population wants to turn Ukraine into a permanent meat grinder proxy World War Woke in order to distract from their plan for Davos controlled Chinese-style NWO communist government.

Our national survival depends on bringing the psychopaths in charge of our nation to justice, and since unfortunately we weren't able to handle the problem ourselves (as bizarre as it seems) Putin looks like he will be remembered as the savior of the free world.

If you dissolve your enemies in acid, technically that's turning your problems into a solution.

QUIETShooter

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #814 on: March 24, 2022, 05:45:24 PM »
biden continued his weak and cowardly approach to Pootin's possible nuclear and chemical threats by saying the response to the threats will depend on what Pootin does. This was at the NATO summit meeting he attended and he displayed moments of frustration and anger.  I guess the questions are hitting home.  Only can lie so much before people see through the bullsh*t.

Lately, biden's appearances really shows his cognitive impairment and apparent weaknesses and un-confident demeanor.  He slurs, talks softly, and his eyes shows confusion.  Slurring and talking softly  usually betrays your confidence and conviction in what you are saying.  President Zelinsky he definitely is not.

Really sad to see yet pisses me off to no end.  Like many commentators are saying on their news broadcasts, it's embarrassing to say I am an American and joe biden is the President of the United States.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #815 on: March 24, 2022, 07:17:04 PM »
For those who are still unconvinced that the US empire was the true culprit responsible for the current Ukrainian conflict and potential WWIII, the following excerpt below should dispel any doubts.  Similar to the US imperial blueprint, "Project for the New American Century" published 25 years ago, the Rand Corporation published in 2019, a new strategy of how to essentially overextend and unbalance Russia, which many of its published suggestions have actually been implemented since 2019.


Overextending and Unbalancing Russia
(Assessing the Impact of Cost-Imposing Options)


by James Dobbins, Raphael S. Cohen, Nathan Chandler, Bryan Frederick, Edward Geist, Paul DeLuca, Forrest E. Morgan, Howard J. Shatz, Brent Williams
For the full brief, go to: https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_briefs/RB10000/RB10014/RAND_RB10014.pdf


This brief summarizes a report that comprehensively examines nonviolent, cost-imposing options that the United States and its allies could pursue across economic, political, and military areas to stress—overextend and unbalance—Russia’s economy and armed forces and the regime's political standing at home and abroad. Some of the options examined are clearly more promising than others, but any would need to be evaluated in terms of the overall U.S. strategy for dealing with Russia, which neither the report nor this brief has attempted to do.

Today’s Russia suffers from many vulnerabilities—oil and gas prices well below peak that have caused a drop in living standards, economic sanctions that have furthered that decline, an aging and soon-to-be-declining population, and increasing authoritarianism under Vladimir Putin’s now-continued rule. Such vulnerabilities are coupled with deep-seated (if exaggerated) anxieties about the possibility of Western-inspired regime change, loss of great power status, and even military attack.

Despite these vulnerabilities and anxieties, Russia remains a powerful country that still manages to be a U.S. peer competitor in a few key domains. Recognizing that some level of competition with Russia is inevitable, RAND researchers conducted a qualitative assessment of “cost-imposing options” that could unbalance and overextend Russia. Such cost-imposing options could place new burdens on Russia, ideally heavier burdens than would be imposed on the United States for pursuing those options.

The work builds on the concept of long-term strategic competition developed during the Cold War, some of which originated at RAND. A seminal 1972 RAND report posited that the United States needed to shift its strategic thinking away from trying to stay ahead of the Soviet Union in all dimensions and toward trying to control the competition and channel it into areas of U.S. advantage. If this shift could be made successfully, the report concluded, the United States could prompt the Soviet Union to shift its limited resources into areas that posed less of a threat.

The new report applies this concept to today’s Russia. A team of RAND experts developed economic, geopolitical, ideological, informational, and military options and qualitatively assessed them in terms of their likelihood of success in extending Russia, their benefits, and their risks and costs.


Economic Cost-Imposing Measures
Expanding U.S. energy production would stress Russia’s economy, potentially constraining its government budget and, by extension, its defense spending. By adopting policies that expand world supply and depress global prices, the United States can limit Russian revenue. Doing so entails little cost or risk, produces second-order benefits for the U.S. economy, and does not need multilateral endorsement.

Imposing deeper trade and financial sanctions would also likely degrade the Russian economy, especially if such sanctions are comprehensive and multilateral. Thus, their effectiveness will depend on the willingness of other countries to join in such a process. But sanctions come with costs and, depending on their severity, considerable risks.

Increasing Europe’s ability to import gas from suppliers other than Russia could economically extend Russia and buffer Europe against Russian energy coercion. Europe is slowly moving in this direction by building regasification plants for liquefied natural gas (LNG). But to be truly effective, this option would need global LNG markets to become more flexible than they already are and would need LNG to become more price-competitive with Russian gas.

Encouraging the emigration from Russia of skilled labor and well-educated youth has few costs or risks and could help the United States and other receiving countries and hurt Russia, but any effects—both positive for receiving countries and negative for Russia—would be difficult to notice except over a very long period. This option also has a low likelihood of extending Russia.


Geopolitical Cost-Imposing Measures
Providing lethal aid to Ukraine would exploit Russia’s greatest point of external vulnerability. But any increase in U.S. military arms and advice to Ukraine would need to be carefully calibrated to increase the costs to Russia of sustaining its existing commitment without provoking a much wider conflict in which Russia, by reason of proximity, would have significant advantages.

Increasing support to the Syrian rebels could jeopardize other U.S. policy priorities, such as combating radical Islamic terrorism, and could risk further destabilizing the entire region. Furthermore, this option might not even be feasible, given the radicalization, fragmentation, and decline of the Syrian opposition.

Promoting liberalization in Belarus likely would not succeed and could provoke a strong Russian response, one that would result in a general deterioration of the security environment in Europe and a setback for U.S. policy.

Expanding ties in the South Caucasus—competing economically with Russia—would be difficult because of geography and history.

Reducing Russian influence in Central Asia would be very difficult and could prove costly. Increased engagement is unlikely to extend Russia much economically and likely to be disproportionately costly for the United States.

Flip Transnistria and expel the Russian troops from the region would be a blow to Russian prestige, but it would also save Moscow money and quite possibly impose additional costs on the United States and its allies.


Land and Multidomain Cost-Imposing Measures
Increasing U.S. forces in Europe, increasing European NATO member ground capabilities, and deploying a large number of NATO forces on the Russian border would likely have only limited effects on extending Russia. All the options would enhance deterrence, but the risks vary. A general increase in NATO ground force capabilities in Europe—including closing European NATO member readiness gaps and increasing the number of U.S. forces stationed in traditional locations in Western Europe—would have limited risks. But large-scale deployments on Russia’s borders would increase the risk of conflict with Russia, particularly if perceived as challenging Russia’s position in eastern Ukraine, Belarus, or the Caucasus.

Increasing the size and frequency of NATO exercises in Europe may help to enhance readiness and deterrence, but it is unlikely to prompt a costly Russian response unless the exercises also send risky signals. Large-scale NATO exercises held near Russia’s borders and exercises that practice counterattack or offensive scenarios could be perceived as showing the intent and willingness to consider offensive operations. For example, a NATO exercise simulating a counterattack to retake NATO territory lost to advancing Russian forces might look like an exercise to prepare for an invasion of a piece of Russian territory, such as Kaliningrad.

Developing but not deploying an intermediate-range missile could bring Russia back into conformity with the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty but could also prompt an acceleration of Russian missile programs. Withdrawing from that treaty and building the missiles but not deploying them in Europe would add little to U.S. capabilities and would probably prompt Russia to deploy such missiles itself—and, perhaps, invest more in ballistic missile defense. Taking the further step of deploying the missiles to Europe, assuming that NATO allies were willing, would also almost certainly prompt a Russian response, potentially involving substantial resources, or at least the diversion of substantial resources from other defense spending, though it is hard to assess what share would be directed toward defensive capabilities versus offensive or retaliatory ones.

Incremental investments in new technologies to counter Russian air defenses and increase U.S. long-range fires could significantly improve defense and deterrence while compelling increased Russian investment in countermeasures. Investments in more-revolutionary, next-generation technologies could have even greater effects, given the Russian concerns about new physical principles, but depending on the capability, such investments could also risk strategic stability by threatening the Russian regime and leadership security in a crisis.


Implications for the Army
The task of “extending Russia” need not fall primarily on the Army or even the U.S. armed forces as a whole. Indeed, the most promising ways to extend Russia—those with the highest benefit, the lowest risk, and greatest likelihood of success—likely fall outside the military domain. Russia is not seeking military parity with the United States and, thus, might simply choose not to respond to some U.S. military actions (e.g., shifts in naval presence); other U.S. military actions (e.g., posturing forces closer to Russia) could ultimately prove more costly to the United States than to Russia. Still, our findings have at least three major implications for the Army.

1. The U.S. Army should rebuild its linguistic and analytical expertise on Russia. Because Russia does pose a long-term threat, the Army needs to develop the human capital to engage in this strategic competition.

2. The Army should consider investing and encouraging the other services to invest more in capabilities, such as Army Tactical Missile Systems, Indirect Fire Protection Capability Increment 2, longer-range anti-air defense, and other systems designed to counter Russian anti-access and area denial capabilities. The Army also might consider spending some R&D resources on less-mature, more-futuristic systems (e.g., swarm unmanned aerial vehicles or remote combat vehicles). While these measures would likely be insufficient in themselves to greatly extend Russia, they would benefit U.S. deterrence efforts and could augment a broader whole-of-government policy.

3. Even if the Army were not directly involved in extending Russia per se, it would play a key role in mitigating the possible blowback. All the options to extend Russia incur some risk. As a result, enhancing U.S. deterrence posture in Europe and increasing U.S. military capabilities (e.g., an enhanced Javelin or active protection systems for Army vehicles) might need to go hand in hand with any move to extend Russia, as a way of hedging against the chance of tensions with Russia escalating into conflict.


Conclusions
The most-promising options to “extend Russia” are those that directly address its vulnerabilities, anxieties, and strengths, exploiting areas of weakness while undermining Russia’s current advantages. In that regard, Russia’s greatest vulnerability, in any competition with the United States, is its economy, which is comparatively small and highly dependent on energy exports. Russian leadership’s greatest anxiety stems from the stability and durability of the regime, and Russia’s greatest strengths are in the military and info-war realms. The table below draws from the earlier tables to identify the most-promising options.

Most of the options discussed, including those listed here, are in some sense escalatory, and most would likely prompt some Russian counter escalation. Thus, besides the specific risks associated with each option, there is additional risk attached to a generally intensified competition with a nuclear-armed adversary to consider. This means that every option must be deliberately planned and carefully calibrated to achieve the desired effect. Finally, although Russia will bear the cost of this increased competition less easily than the United States will, both sides will have to divert national resources from other purposes. Extending Russia for its own sake is not a sufficient basis in most cases to consider the options discussed here. Rather, the options must be considered in the broader context of national policy based on defense, deterrence, and—where U.S. and Russian interests align—cooperation.

mrgaf

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #816 on: March 24, 2022, 07:18:53 PM »
At this point I'm rootin' for Putin. 

Our criminal government who stole the 2020 election, shut down free speech, forced people to take poison drugs, opened up the border to human trafficking narco terrorists, and is now ensuring the mass starvation of our population wants to turn Ukraine into a permanent meat grinder proxy World War Woke in order to distract from their plan for Davos controlled Chinese-style NWO communist government.

Our national survival depends on bringing the psychopaths in charge of our nation to justice, and since unfortunately we weren't able to handle the problem ourselves (as bizarre as it seems) Putin looks like he will be remembered as the savior of the free world.



Don’t forget the little green men invading earth and pooptin will still be a child muderer. Hope he rots in hell! :grrr:
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #817 on: March 24, 2022, 07:29:57 PM »
Don’t forget the little green men invading earth and pooptin will still be a child muderer. Hope he rots in hell! :grrr:

It's bizarre times we live in, but no evidence of the little green men yet.

Just our quality of life rapidly going down the crapper and a bunch of drooling idiots at the helm



Compared to these degenerates the Russian Mafia Don looks like dignified statesman
If you dissolve your enemies in acid, technically that's turning your problems into a solution.

mrgaf

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #818 on: March 24, 2022, 08:05:59 PM »
It's bizarre times we live in, but no evidence of the little green men yet.

Just our quality of life rapidly going down the crapper and a bunch of drooling idiots at the helm



Compared to these degenerates the Russian Mafia Don looks like dignified statesman

I’m gonna have nightmares for a month! :o
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

Glasser

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #819 on: March 24, 2022, 08:47:36 PM »
Hunter Bidens investment firm Rosemont Seneca has been tied directly to funding the Ukraine 'Biolabs'. (Along with with Fauics buddy Dasazak and Obamas DOD)

https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/03/24/biden-linked-company-partnered-with-ukraine-biolabs/


I am sure that no gain of function work was happening there, right?