Didn't Ukraine get rid of their nukes cause we said we would protect them?

i had to look this up.


Ukraine gave up its' nukes in 1994.
When Zelensky asked to join NATO, that's when Putin lost his shit (IMHO), started his full-scale invasion of Ukraine.  Something about a capability for a pre-emptive first strike, decapitation strike.

that would be like Xi stationing ICBMs in Mexico.  Trump would lose his shit.  Biden would just be ho-hum, what flavor of ice cream today.  Shades of the JFK Cuban missile crisis, in reverse.

unfortunately the undo button doesn't work here.  no do-overs.

broad-brush, skipping over Reagan-Gorbachev "not one inch", Crimea (2014), Donbas, etc.

1994-2014, that's a lot of stable status-quo.  just my laymans take.

here's a good 10-minute historical step-by-step perspective by a subject matter expert.  Jeffrey Sachs.  excerpt of a 1hr+ Q&A.
I like his line, we got your back, not your front, something like that.  Yeah, we, the US, we screwed Ukraine.  Kuleana's type of US geopolitical meddling.

i had to look this up.


Ukraine gave up its' nukes in 1994.
When Zelensky asked to join NATO, that's when Putin lost his shit (IMHO), started his full-scale invasion of Ukraine.  Something about a capability for a pre-emptive first strike, decapitation strike.

that would be like Xi stationing ICBMs in Mexico.  Trump would lose his shit.  Biden would just be ho-hum, what flavor of ice cream today.  Shades of the JFK Cuban missile crisis, in reverse.

unfortunately the undo button doesn't work here.  no do-overs.

broad-brush, skipping over Reagan-Gorbachev "not one inch", Crimea (2014), Donbas, etc.

1994-2014, that's a lot of stable status-quo.  just my laymans take.

here's a good 10-minute historical perspective by a subject matter expert.  Jeffrey Sachs.
I like his line, we got your back, not your front, something like that.  Yeah, we, the US, we screwed Ukraine.

That's the underlying issue from what i've seen.

In a nutshell, Ukraine's people, including parliament and President Yanukovych, were supporting increased military and economic relations with the EU.  Putin, of course, wanted to put a stop to any expansion of those relations which would replace Russia's interests there.

Under pressure from Putin, Yanukovych changed positions and tried to put a stop to the formal EU expansion efforts.  Yanukovych was accused of a variety of corruption and other charges.  In 2014, he was voted out of office.  He secretly left the country and self-exiled in Russia.  In 2017, he relinquished his Ukrainian citizenship and became a citizen of Russia.  According to Russian politician Oleg Mitvol, Yanukovych bought a house in Barvikha for $52 million on 26 February 2014

Between 2014-2019, Petro Poroshenko served as President of Ukraine.  Putin could not influence this President the way he did Yanukovych, which began the military invasion from Russia into Dunbos, Ukraine, in April 2014.  This was the beginning of the Russia-Ukraine War.

The new President of Ukraine, Zelenskyy, assumed office in 2019.  Zelenskyy has positioned himself as an anti-establishment and anti-corruption figure.  It was after Zelenskyy's Presidential win that Trump called to congratulate him and was then impeached for mentioning Biden.  The accusation was Trump was seeking foreign assistance to interfere in an election against his political opponent EVEN THOUGH Biden had not announced whether he would be running.

did Biden just start WWIII, by allowing Ukraine unrestricted use and targeting by US weapon systems for deep strikes in Russia, and Britain and France following suit?  He's gone DGAF mode, and just wants to fuck things up for Trump before he goes out the door.  One last big parting FU to Trump.  Maybe I shouldn't say "last", there's still two months left, a whole lot more damage can be done to the world, if you're going scorched earth.

Apparently, he was touristing deep in some amazon rain forest ("are you the ones that ate my uncle Bosey?") when he decided to authorize this.  or was it the behind-the-scenes Obama cabal, as revenge?  with Biden totally clueless on what's going on?

I thought the war was ugly enough, it's gonna get way more ugly in the next 2 months.  it's gonna get ugly for Russia for sure, that's going to hurt, "slava Ukraine".  I wonder if Putin will now give quiet submarine technology to China, and rocket technology to NK, and missiles to the 3-H's (Houthis, Hamas, Hezbollah, via Iran), as one way of retaliation.  Might start shooting down those MQ-9 Reaper, RQ-4 Global Hawk drones, AWACS, EC-135s, since that's how they're getting the targeting data to hit his bases?  start targeting Ukraine bases where US personnel (mil, CTR) are stationed?  Putin has many ways to retaliate indirectly, doesn't have to be in Ukraine.

I'm sure Poland will now enter the fray, they've been chomping at the bit now for quite a while, wanting to get in on the action to "git some".  They harbor some grudges.

the worlds gonna be on fire, yo, the next 2 months.


https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/17/politics/biden-authorizes-ukraine-missiles-russian-targets/index.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-lifts-ban-ukraine-using-us-arms-strike-inside-russia-2024-11-17/

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-authorizes-ukraine-use-us-long-range-missiles-strike-inside-russia-report

A few weeks before the election, this happened .....

White House approves
$425 million
in new Ukraine aid
Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024

he White House on Wednesday announced its latest package of
military support for Ukraine, including $425 million worth of air
defense, air-to-ground missiles, armored vehicles and other
munitions.

President Joe Biden spoke Wednesday morning with his Ukrainian
counterpart Volodymyr Zelenskyy before the White House
announced the latest round of aid to help Kyiv in its ongoing war
against Russia’s invasion.

The two leaders discussed the state of the war and a “victory plan”
Zelenskyy has touted to end the conflict, according to a readout
of the call.

https://www.defensenews.com/pentagon/2024/10/16/white-house-approves-425-million-in-new-ukraine-aid/

A victory plan doesn't sound like peace negotiations to me.  Sounds like another never-ending war -- and this time with the longest rival ever in US history.

Biden's Legacy:

if only it was that benign.

biden is in "all smiles" mode lately.  Anybody noticed?

His final Fa-Q to anybody and everybody.

To those "81 million" real, fake, and made up voters:

Actions has consequences.  As ALL OF US will soon see.

Biden ok's long range missiles to ukraine.

Then tells trump "fix this, bitch".

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Biden ok's long range missiles to ukraine.

Then tells trump "fix this, bitch".

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Biden made the correct and late decision to help our ally.  Russians involved north Korea this was coming.   Should have happened a long time ago but better than nothing.  Though typical Russian Magas wouldn't understand. 

biden is in "all smiles" mode lately.  Anybody noticed?

His final Fa-Q to anybody and everybody.

To those "81 million" real, fake, and made up voters:

Actions has consequences.  As ALL OF US will soon see.

No evidence of major election fraud for either election.  Harris got quite alot of votes this time around. 

A few weeks before the election, this happened .....

White House approves
$425 million
in new Ukraine aid
Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024https://www.defensenews.com/pentagon/2024/10/16/white-house-approves-425-million-in-new-ukraine-aid/

A victory plan doesn't sound like peace negotiations to me.  Sounds like another never-ending war -- and this time with the longest rival ever in US history.

And you want your longest rival to win and get stronger?   Normal patriots would root for our rivals/ enemies downfall.

did Biden just start WWIII, by allowing Ukraine unrestricted use and targeting by US weapon systems for deep strikes in Russia, and Britain and France following suit?  He's gone DGAF mode, and just wants to fuck things up for Trump before he goes out the door.  One last big parting FU to Trump.  Maybe I shouldn't say "last", there's still two months left, a whole lot more damage can be done to the world, if you're going scorched earth.

Apparently, he was touristing deep in some amazon rain forest ("are you the ones that ate my uncle Bosey?") when he decided to authorize this.  or was it the behind-the-scenes Obama cabal, as revenge?  with Biden totally clueless on what's going on?

I thought the war was ugly enough, it's gonna get way more ugly in the next 2 months.  it's gonna get ugly for Russia for sure, that's going to hurt, "slava Ukraine".  I wonder if Putin will now give quiet submarine technology to China, and rocket technology to NK, and missiles to the 3-H's (Houthis, Hamas, Hezbollah, via Iran), as one way of retaliation.  Might start shooting down those MQ-9 Reaper, RQ-4 Global Hawk drones, AWACS, EC-135s, since that's how they're getting the targeting data to hit his bases?  start targeting Ukraine bases where US personnel (mil, CTR) are stationed?  Putin has many ways to retaliate indirectly, doesn't have to be in Ukraine.

I'm sure Poland will now enter the fray, they've been chomping at the bit now for quite a while, wanting to get in on the action to "git some".  They harbor some grudges.

the worlds gonna be on fire, yo, the next 2 months.


https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/17/politics/biden-authorizes-ukraine-missiles-russian-targets/index.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-lifts-ban-ukraine-using-us-arms-strike-inside-russia-2024-11-17/

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-authorizes-ukraine-use-us-long-range-missiles-strike-inside-russia-report

Russia won't do anything.   They escalated this.   They started it.   We helped Afghanistan beat then before and no nukes got launched.  No one is going to nuke anyone,  stop being so scared or they just going to use it to threaten and get their way. 

I hope Biden gives everything he can to ukraine.  No holding back.

i had to look this up.


Ukraine gave up its' nukes in 1994.
When Zelensky asked to join NATO, that's when Putin lost his shit (IMHO), started his full-scale invasion of Ukraine.  Something about a capability for a pre-emptive first strike, decapitation strike.

that would be like Xi stationing ICBMs in Mexico.  Trump would lose his shit.  Biden would just be ho-hum, what flavor of ice cream today.  Shades of the JFK Cuban missile crisis, in reverse.

unfortunately the undo button doesn't work here.  no do-overs.

broad-brush, skipping over Reagan-Gorbachev "not one inch", Crimea (2014), Donbas, etc.

1994-2014, that's a lot of stable status-quo.  just my laymans take.

here's a good 10-minute historical step-by-step perspective by a subject matter expert.  Jeffrey Sachs.  excerpt of a 1hr+ Q&A.
I like his line, we got your back, not your front, something like that.  Yeah, we, the US, we screwed Ukraine.  Kuleana's type of US geopolitical meddling.

Horrible take,  wanting to join the EU is the right of Ukraine.  Not wanting to be taken over by Russia and joining NATO is a right.   You see a threat and you do something about it.  This is exactly what China is doing.   If the south Asian countries try and protect themselves and form an alliance they deserve to be attacked by China?  Is that your attitude? 

And you want your longest rival to win and get stronger?   Normal patriots would root for our rivals/ enemies downfall.

Do you have a rational thought on anything?  Or just provocational BS?

You don't know what a normal patriot looks like if you voted for Kamala, labeled by everyone as the most Left-wing Progressive-Liberal member of the Senate.  Based on her roll-call voting record, she's actually the second most Liberal democrat Senator to serve in the 21st century.   

Kamala Harris is extremely liberal
— and the numbers prove it

Since the turn of the century, there have been 11 complete Congresses
(107th through 117th), with only five months remaining in the 118th.
During this period, there were 109 different Democrats who served in the
Senate and cast a sufficient number of roll call votes for a reliable analysis
of their ideological position.

Of these 109 Democrats, Harris has the second-most liberal voting record.
This makes her slightly less liberal than Warren, but more liberal than all
of the remaining 107 Democrats, and significantly more liberal than all
but a handful.

Included among these 109 Democrats are President Biden, former President
Barack Obama and 2016 presidential nominee Hillary Clinton. The record
indicates Clinton is more liberal than 74, Obama more liberal than 62 and
Biden’s more liberal than 52.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4816859-kamala-harris-is-extremely-liberal-and-the-numbers-prove-it/

If this is your idea of a "normal patriot," I'll have to take a hard pass.  But, since you don't get to tell anyone what words mean, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

Horrible take,  wanting to join the EU is the right of Ukraine.  Not wanting to be taken over by Russia and joining NATO is a right.   You see a threat and you do something about it.  This is exactly what China is doing.   If the south Asian countries try and protect themselves and form an alliance they deserve to be attacked by China?  Is that your attitude?

CIA enacted the orange color revolution in order to overthrow a democratically elected government and install a puppet regime full of Nazis so that they could pack the Russian border with missiles and antagonize them into war.
The ultimate goal was to bankrupt Russia through proxy conflicts so that we could strip them of their resources, but like all their plans it blew up in their faces and now Trump got elected for the 3rd time and Russia is doing better than ever.

Today our illegitimate regime announced they are green lighting long range missiles into Russian in a desperate attempt to start WW3. They are hoping to sew mass confusion, cover up their crimes, and force Trump to stick to their suicidal plot.



The Predator movie reference in this video clip where the alien self destructs with a tactical nuke is very apt:

https://youtu.be/Dij1HIaW0_U?si=uz_o4e3OzwFRHHT8

And you want your longest rival to win and get stronger?   Normal patriots would root for our rivals/ enemies downfall.

We did.  The biden/harris administration is no more.

As far as our longest rival, there is a time and place for everything.  But unfortunately, your hero biden doesn't know what time it is and what place he is currently presiding in.

Answer this question:  Why now?  Why only now he gives the green light to strike deep into russia after 2 years of fighting?

His decision is almost on par with that deceptive "bi-partisan" border bill they tried to pass after 3 years of doing nothing while millions of illegal migrants flowed into the country.

His administration's whole tenure was nothing but "Why now?"  Why only now??"

We did.  The biden/harris administration is no more.

As far as our longest rival, there is a time and place for everything.  But unfortunately, your hero biden doesn't know what time it is and what place he is currently presiding in.

Answer this question:  Why now?  Why only now he gives the green light to strike deep into russia after 2 years of fighting?

His decision is almost on par with that deceptive "bi-partisan" border bill they tried to pass after 3 years of doing nothing while millions of illegal migrants flowed into the country.

His administration's whole tenure was nothing but "Why now?"  Why only now??"

He didn't do nothing those 3 years. 

Biden admin whistleblowers claim
‘billions of taxpayer dollars’ used by
gov contractor to traffic children on
the border
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/biden-admin-whistleblowers-claim-billions-of-taxpayer-dollars-used-by-gov-contractor-to-traffic-children-on-the-border/ar-BB1pHL3S

Hawley Exposes Biden HHS Officer For Facilitating
Largest Child Trafficking Ring In U.S. History

And you want your longest rival to win and get stronger?   Normal patriots would root for our rivals/ enemies downfall.

You sound like Liz Cheney.  Let's keep fighting to win an unwinnable war, flush our nation's wealth down a toilet, and send our military to die, because that's how cowardly patriots act. As long as you can sit behind a keyboard criticizing peace efforts to stop the death, destruction and sheer waste of war, you're happy.

Unbelievable the Liberals who protested the Korea and Vietnam wars are now the war hawks who support the US military industrial complex waging wars against Russia and anyone else they don't like.

I hope you have a chance to watch some of Tulsi's videos with her speeches and interviews.  Maybe a little common sense will rub off on you.  But, that's wishful thinking.

I'm not a history buff but I would imagine a country (like russia presently), getting economically ruined, their perceived national security and influence being threatened by their enemies right in their own back yard, and their leader under intense scrutiny by his own people and international community, is a perfect recipe for a World War.

I often wonder if things would have ended differently had Trump been in office when Russia massed their troops on the Ukraine border.