Ukraine vs. Russia (Read 298603 times)

rpoL98

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1760 on: March 22, 2025, 09:15:51 PM »
... and in other news, the Ukraine Army, flush with the success of the Sudzha/Kursk incursion, have decided to duplicate that strategy about 35km south of Sudzha, attacking towards the Russian towns of Demidovka, Grafovka, and Preleslye, in Belgorod Oblast.  They managed to go forward about 1-2km, depending on how you measure, before being stopped by Russian drones, bombs, artillery, and not-frequently-used (due to MANPAD proliferation) Ka-52 and Mi-28 helicopters.  Like Kursk, the approach paths from Maryino and Turiya is now littered with burned-out "Amerikanski" vehicles, courtesy of auto-pen Biden, at no cost to Ukraine, except of course for Ukrainian lives lost.

Having lost Kursk, Zelinsky really wants to get another "bargaining chip", it seems, no matter the cost.



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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1761 on: March 22, 2025, 10:47:57 PM »
... and in other news, the Ukraine Army, flush with the success of the Sudzha/Kursk incursion, have decided to duplicate that strategy about 35km south of Sudzha, attacking towards the Russian towns of Demidovka, Grafovka, and Preleslye, in Belgorod Oblast.  They managed to go forward about 1-2km, depending on how you measure, before being stopped by Russian drones, bombs, artillery, and not-frequently-used (due to MANPAD proliferation) Ka-52 and Mi-28 helicopters.  Like Kursk, the approach paths from Maryino and Turiya is now littered with burned-out "Amerikanski" vehicles, courtesy of auto-pen Biden, at no cost to Ukraine, except of course for Ukrainian lives lost.

Having lost Kursk, Zelensky really wants to get another "bargaining chip", it seems, no matter the cost.

I think Trump can school Zelensky on what it takes to have leverage in a negotiation.

Leverage isn't taking a few square kilometers of ground, losing a good portion of your men and machines in the process, and expecting that to be counted as "your" bargaining chip.  He'd have more luck trying to pick a turd up by the clean end.

Negotiations like this require that you give something up that you possess which the other side wants in exchange for something you want they are willing to trade.  A patch of land isn't going to be worth the cost of trying to retake and occupy it especially if all the infrastructure is broken and the buildings damaged or destroyed.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1762 on: March 24, 2025, 07:46:28 AM »
I think Trump can school Zelensky on what it takes to have leverage in a negotiation.

Leverage isn't taking a few square kilometers of ground, losing a good portion of your men and machines in the process, and expecting that to be counted as "your" bargaining chip.  He'd have more luck trying to pick a turd up by the clean end.

Negotiations like this require that you give something up that you possess which the other side wants in exchange for something you want they are willing to trade.  A patch of land isn't going to be worth the cost of trying to retake and occupy it especially if all the infrastructure is broken and the buildings damaged or destroyed.

Zel needs to read Art of the Deal.  Or have someone read it to him and translate.  He's taking a note from the Russian war book strategy.  Throw bodies at the target and hope you have enough bodies to overrun it. Who cares about casualties.  Imagine opening scene for Enemy at the Gates.

changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1763 on: March 30, 2025, 03:05:32 PM »
1 of putins limos exploded in front the FSB HQ.

Days after zelin says putin should die.



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hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1764 on: March 30, 2025, 03:30:43 PM »
It’s almost over. Trump can’t ask for too much more out of this or Putin will simply shrug his shoulders and bulldoze through the rest.
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Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1765 on: April 02, 2025, 10:05:46 AM »
The only reason why the US imperial proxy war against Russia is not over is because the Power Okole does not want it to be over.  Like the US empire's puppet Zelinsky, its vassal states in Europe are not suicidal in wanting to continue hostilities with Russia.  The only way one can make sense of their delusional actions is to presume they have been given reassurances by the Power Okole that they will make Trump capitulate and continue its proxy war with Russia.

I still believe Trump is not a warmonger nor imperialist but seeing how he refuses to stop funding and supplying Ukraine; started bombing the Houthis; making threats to Iran; threatening to illegally annex Greenland against the will of its people; as well as working to ban free speech on college campuses, he is starting to look like all the other stooges that sat in the White House before him taking orders from the Power Okole.

QUIETShooter

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1766 on: April 02, 2025, 10:24:49 AM »
In my opinion we're already in WW3.

Things won't de-escalate.  It will get worse.

Frog in slowly boiling water.

Frog:  The World

Slowly boiling water:  WW3
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1767 on: April 02, 2025, 10:53:35 AM »
In my opinion we're already in WW3.
I would only add that we are still in the beginning phases of WWIII.

On one side, you have the US empire and its vassal states clinging on to World governance, and the other side are the nations that want to bring forth a multipolar World.

WWIII, like so many wars before, is war being instigated by a declining empire in a last-ditch effort to regain its global dominance.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1768 on: April 02, 2025, 11:04:38 AM »
The only reason why the US imperial proxy war against Russia is not over is because the Power Okole does not want it to be over.  Like the US empire's puppet Zelinsky, its vassal states in Europe are not suicidal in wanting to continue hostilities with Russia.  The only way one can make sense of their delusional actions is to presume they have been given reassurances by the Power Okole that they will make Trump capitulate and continue its proxy war with Russia.

I still believe Trump is not a warmonger nor imperialist but seeing how he refuses to stop funding and supplying Ukraine; started bombing the Houthis; making threats to Iran; threatening to illegally annex Greenland against the will of its people; as well as working to ban free speech on college campuses, he is starting to look like all the other stooges that sat in the White House before him taking orders from the Power Okole.
That's like saying, "I didn't pay my restaurant check, because i didn't want to."

"I didn't want to" is not a valid reason unless you're a child.

Maybe the reasons are political.  Maybe they are caused by agreements and treaties. 
Maybe it's to create demand for the big military industrial companies. 
Maybe it's because the decision is based on foreign policy that was set by previous administrations and appropriated by Congress years ago.

"Because the Power Okole does not want it to be over," seems a bit uninformative.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1769 on: April 02, 2025, 11:20:39 AM »
That's like saying, "I didn't pay my restaurant check, because i didn't want to."

"I didn't want to" is not a valid reason unless you're a child.

Maybe the reasons are political.  Maybe they are caused by agreements and treaties. 
Maybe it's to create demand for the big military industrial companies. 
Maybe it's because the decision is based on foreign policy that was set by previous administrations and appropriated by Congress years ago.

"Because the Power Okole does not want it to be over," seems a bit uninformative.
Everything the US empire does globally is everything the neocons and imperialists have always worked for.

What interest does it serve for the American people to have a proxy war with Russia?

What interest does it serve for the US empire to fight a proxy or hot war with China?

What interest does it serve to have Iran attacked by US imperial forces?

In any of those cases, nothing positive for the people of the nations mentioned above benefit.  The only thing such conflicts could achieve is the delusional goal of maintaining global empire which it won't.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1770 on: April 02, 2025, 11:29:35 AM »
Everything the US empire does globally is everything the neocons and imperialists have always worked for.

What interest does it serve for the American people to have a proxy war with Russia?

What interest does it serve for the US empire to fight a proxy or hot war with China?

What interest does it serve to have Iran attacked by US imperial forces?

In any of those cases, nothing positive for the people of the nations mentioned above benefit.  The only thing such conflicts could achieve is the delusional goal of maintaining global empire which it won't.

So, you are going to answer my questions with different questions?

Isn't that special?!    :rofl:

You said:
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The only reason why the US imperial proxy war against Russia is not
over is because the Power Okole does not want it to be over.
Emphasis on "only" added. 

Now you reiterate that as:
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The only thing such conflicts could achieve is the delusional goal of maintaining
global empire which it won't.
Emphasis on "only" added. 

Is it your belief that saying "only" somehow signals that any other explanation will be deemed automatically wrong?

Maybe you have the opposite problem EEF appears to have.  He has to qualify the sh!# out of everything to avoid being called out as wrong.  You, on the other hand, are constraining your comments as if yours is the ONLY possible opinion, deduction or reason for whatever you're posting about.

Polar opposites, but both are just as useless to an intelligent discussion.  More rhetoric than fact.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1771 on: April 02, 2025, 11:38:52 AM »
Polar opposites, but both are just as useless to an intelligent discussion.  More rhetoric than fact.
For someone who still refuses to acknowledge the FACT that the US empire is still waging a proxy war against Russia via Ukraine definitely exhibits the lack of sincerity and basic knowledge to discuss this topic.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1772 on: April 02, 2025, 11:40:12 AM »
For someone who still refuses to acknowledge the FACT that the US empire is still waging a proxy war against Russia via Ukraine definitely exhibits the lack of sincerity and basic knowledge to discuss this topic.

Funny how you pretend that one OPINION excuses you from posting any real facts.

Lame excuse for refusing to have an honest discussion.

You remind me of rabid journalists screaming at Trump, "Will condemn [fill in the racist person or group name]?", even after he's done that countless times.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1773 on: April 02, 2025, 11:56:19 AM »
I wanted to know the update on the peace agreement since it's been a few weeks now.

Putin is sending his top negotatior to DC to meet with Trump as Trump said he was looking into tariffing Russian oil. If only we had the Dakota Pipeline, we wouldn't need Russian oil anymore.  But Brandon stopped this.  Maybe this was his plan all along. "I'll stop the pipeline and you can invade Ukraine so I can blame that any evidence of my families illegal dealings were destroyed".

At least Trump is relaxing regulations in the US so we can drill more. We have lots of oil, it's the EPA and tree huggers who are preventing us from drilling. Thus buying and funding Russia.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1774 on: April 02, 2025, 12:10:14 PM »
I wanted to know the update on the peace agreement since it's been a few weeks now.

Putin is sending his top negotatior to DC to meet with Trump as Trump said he was looking into tariffing Russian oil. If only we had the Dakota Pipeline, we wouldn't need Russian oil anymore.  But Brandon stopped this.  Maybe this was his plan all along. "I'll stop the pipeline and you can invade Ukraine so I can blame that any evidence of my families illegal dealings were destroyed".

At least Trump is relaxing regulations in the US so we can drill more. We have lots of oil, it's the EPA and tree huggers who are preventing us from drilling. Thus buying and funding Russia.
I guarantee some of those billions Biden and Congress generously gave Ukraine for fighting and humanitarian aid have been funneled into Swiss bank accounts.  That way, when Zelensky is forced out of office, he can retire in magnificent style.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1775 on: April 02, 2025, 12:12:01 PM »
Funny how you pretend that one OPINION excuses you from posting any real facts.

Lame excuse for refusing to have an honest discussion.

You remind me of rabid journalists screaming at Trump, "Will condemn [fill in the racist person or group name]?", even after he's done that countless times.
Stop the verbal diarrhea dodging.

Admit it; you can't bring yourself to the FACT that the US empire is still waging a proxy war against Russia via Ukraine.

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1776 on: April 02, 2025, 12:17:36 PM »
I wanted to know the update on the peace agreement since it's been a few weeks now.
I think you know already.

There is no peace agreement and the war against Russia rages on exactly what the Power Okole is telling its EU vassal states and puppet Zelinski wants them to do.

The idea to pin the US empire's proxy war against Russia on the machinations of that senile old fool is giving him too much credit.

macsak

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1777 on: April 02, 2025, 12:39:10 PM »
lul
pot/kettle...

Stop the verbal diarrhea dodging.

Admit it; you can't bring yourself to the FACT that the US empire is still waging a proxy war against Russia via Ukraine.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1778 on: April 02, 2025, 12:40:01 PM »
Stop the verbal diarrhea dodging.

Admit it; you can't bring yourself to the FACT that the US empire is still waging a proxy war against Russia via Ukraine.

Admit it.  It's more important that you control what i say than to move on and actually have an intelligent exchange.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1779 on: April 02, 2025, 12:53:52 PM »
Admit it.  It's more important that you control what i say than to move on and actually have an intelligent exchange.
If I wanted to control what you say, you would be always addressing me by my preferred adjectives.   :geekdanc:

Come on!  Let me hear you say it: Tall, Dark, & Handsome!