Ukraine vs. Russia (Read 298586 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1780 on: April 02, 2025, 03:25:58 PM »
If I wanted to control what you say, you would be always addressing me by my preferred adjectives.   :geekdanc:

Come on!  Let me hear you say it: Tall, Dark, & Handsome!

So, of all the things you could make me say, you chose a lie?

Par for the course, I guess.

 :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

rpoL98

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1781 on: April 02, 2025, 07:20:58 PM »
apparently, Trump is resuming full-on military aid to UKR (not what I voted for).



interesting NYT read on the US-UKR-allies intel fusion center at Wiesbaden, providing targeting info to UKR artillery, drones, etc.:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/03/29/world/europe/us-ukraine-military-war-wiesbaden.html

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1782 on: April 02, 2025, 08:04:35 PM »
apparently, Trump is resuming full-on military aid to UKR (not what I voted for).

I'm more interested in ending the conflict than the amount of support needed to do that.

Biden was trickling support to Ukraine in ways that obviously didn't make a huge dent in the front lines. 

Perhaps this massive mobilization is needed to drive Putin back into Russia, similar to how Reagan pushed for massive improvements in military spending.  If Putin can't muster enough resources to counter that build-up, he'll either back down and negotiate, or he'll be forced to use nukes.

I don't believe Putin is someone who would use nukes in a first strike.  He'd wind up losing much more than would ever be gained.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1783 on: April 03, 2025, 07:42:36 AM »
I'm more interested in ending the conflict than the amount of support needed to do that.

Biden was trickling support to Ukraine in ways that obviously didn't make a huge dent in the front lines. 

Perhaps this massive mobilization is needed to drive Putin back into Russia, similar to how Reagan pushed for massive improvements in military spending.  If Putin can't muster enough resources to counter that build-up, he'll either back down and negotiate, or he'll be forced to use nukes.

I don't believe Putin is someone who would use nukes in a first strike.  He'd wind up losing much more than would ever be gained.

And if he did use nukes, any land would be unusable. So negates taking back land that he claims is Russian land.

Maybe try a trade rape. Give up Chernobyl for peace?  It's worth a try.

rpoL98

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1784 on: April 03, 2025, 05:56:30 PM »
i'll bet Putin was tempted to use one of those Oreshniks on the Wiesbaden Intel center, but that would probably trigger a NATO war.  Nevertheless, that place is solely and directly responsible for the successful killing of a shit-ton of Russian soldiers, and destruction of ammo depots, refineries, etc, by Ukrainian artillery, bombs, and drones.


must be frustrating to Putin, would be awfully tempting ...

although:

nowadays, a recent study of the UKR-RUS war, shows that 75% of war deaths and injuries are caused by FPV drones, 20% by artillery, and only 4% caused by small arms fire.  average med evac time was 14.5hrs, influenced by the omnipresent drone threat.


9 minute video on impact of drone warfare.
« Last Edit: April 03, 2025, 07:04:51 PM by rpoL98 »

ren

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1785 on: April 03, 2025, 07:09:32 PM »
although:

nowadays, a recent study of the UKR-RUS war, shows that 75% of war deaths and injuries are caused by FPV drones, 20% by artillery, and only 4% caused by small arms fire.  average med evac time was 14.5hrs, influenced by the omnipresent drone threat.

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Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1786 on: April 03, 2025, 09:38:15 PM »
Perhaps this massive mobilization is needed to drive Putin back into Russia, similar to how Reagan pushed for massive improvements in military spending.
Your neocon statement above clearly shows your willful ignorance of the roots of this conflict and the Russian goals that need to be satisfied for it to end.



If Putin can't muster enough resources to counter that build-up, he'll either back down and negotiate, or he'll be forced to use nukes.
The Russian Federation has more than enough resources to crush any conventional or nuclear hostile attacks from the US empire directly or indirectly.

The fact the previous senile old fool refused to commit the land forces of the US empire to Ukraine is proof of this.  If the US empire was so confident of victory over Russia, it would have sent its marines to Ukraine before the Russian special military operation began.


Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1787 on: April 03, 2025, 09:46:10 PM »
Your neocon statement above clearly shows your willful ignorance of the roots of this conflict and the Russian goals that need to be satisfied for it to end.
Your comment shows you have only insults and name-calling to use as attacks.

Sad.


The Russian Federation has more than enough resources to crush any conventional or nuclear hostile attacks from the US empire directly or indirectly.

The fact the previous senile old fool refused to commit the land forces of the US empire to Ukraine is proof of this.  If the US empire was so confident of victory over Russia, it would have sent its marines to Ukraine before the Russian special military operation began.
I don't think you understand how a proxy war is run.  Committing land forces of the US to Ukraine would not be in the playbook for a proxy war.

Maybe you should look up the definition of "Proxy."  You keep calling that war a proxy for the US, but you simultaneously argue that the US can only demonstrate strength by direct military engagement. 

So strange.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1788 on: April 03, 2025, 10:09:18 PM »
we've been waiting for over 3 years for the russian federation to crush ukraine...

Your neocon statement above clearly shows your willful ignorance of the roots of this conflict and the Russian goals that need to be satisfied for it to end.


The Russian Federation has more than enough resources to crush any conventional or nuclear hostile attacks from the US empire directly or indirectly.

The fact the previous senile old fool refused to commit the land forces of the US empire to Ukraine is proof of this.  If the US empire was so confident of victory over Russia, it would have sent its marines to Ukraine before the Russian special military operation began.

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1789 on: April 03, 2025, 10:11:04 PM »
Your comment shows you have only insults and name-calling to use as attacks.
Insults?

I just pointed out how your belief in the success in any massive mobilization directly or indirectly by the US empire or from its vassals is ignorant as it pays no respect to Russian capabilities that it has already displayed in its fight against Ukraine.



Maybe you should look up the definition of "Proxy."  You keep calling that war a proxy for the US, but you simultaneously argue that the US can only demonstrate strength by direct military engagement.
Well; at least you finally acknowledge the US empire's proxy war against Russia via Ukraine.   :thumbsup:

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1790 on: April 03, 2025, 10:16:22 PM »
we've been waiting for over 3 years for the russian federation to crush ukraine...
Have you seen Ukraine recently?

Its economy is in shambles; most of its young men under thirty that did not flee from military service are dead; they are now completely dependent on foreign aid for daily survival; etc.

What more carnage in Ukraine does your blind eyes need to see how Ukraine already has been destroyed? 

Sad...

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1791 on: April 03, 2025, 11:28:12 PM »
we've been waiting for over 3 years for the russian federation to crush ukraine...

The Russo-Ukrainian war actually started in 2014.  That's more like 11 years.

Crushing in slow motion?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1792 on: April 03, 2025, 11:54:08 PM »
Have you seen Ukraine recently?

Its economy is in shambles; most of its young men under thirty that did not flee from military service are dead; they are now completely dependent on foreign aid for daily survival; etc.

What more carnage in Ukraine does your blind eyes need to see how Ukraine already has been destroyed? 

Sad...

Where did you find that stat saying most men under 30 are dead? 

There are no verified numbers for casualties on both side.  Zelinsky says more Russians have been killed by a large ratio, and Russia says more Ukrainians have been killed.  I've seen no statistics reported showing how many men under 30 have died.

Please link or copy the report you drew that data from.  I'm unable to verify it, and I'm not the only one ...

Quote
Military casualty counts are contested, with Ukraine and Russia closely
guarding data about their forces. In December 2024, Ukrainian President
Volodymyr Zelensky said 43,000 Ukrainian soldiers had been killed and
370,000 injured since February 2022; he also said 198,000 Russian soldiers
had been killed and 550,000 injured. None of these claims was verifiable;
Russia has said its losses are less than Ukraine’s.

The New York Times has cited U.S. intelligence sources claiming, as of
August 2023, estimated Russian losses of 120,000 dead and 170,000–
180,000 wounded as well as estimated Ukrainian losses of 70,000 dead
and 100,000–120,000 wounded. British and European officials have also
made estimates, while independent researchers and journalists have used
open-source data to count losses.
https://www.britannica.com/question/What-are-the-military-casualty-estimates-for-the-Russia-Ukraine-War

Nobody will know the true casualty count as well as the ages and genders most impacted until long after the conflict ends.  Statistics like yours exist to support talking points since they can't be verified -- but I'm sure you can prove me wrong by posting that link.

 :geekdanc: :thumbsup:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

rpoL98

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1793 on: April 04, 2025, 04:11:03 AM »
reminds me of that Peter Paul & Mary song, with the line "where have all the young men gone"



Mary Travers passed away in 2009.  Peter Yarrow just passed away January 2025 (the guy that had the thing with a 14YOgal, pardoned by Jimmy Carter).  Paul Stookey is still hanging on. 

reminiscing.  Trip down Memory Lane.

macsak

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1794 on: April 04, 2025, 05:40:53 AM »
none of that is what you said

sad...

Have you seen Ukraine recently?

Its economy is in shambles; most of its young men under thirty that did not flee from military service are dead; they are now completely dependent on foreign aid for daily survival; etc.

What more carnage in Ukraine does your blind eyes need to see how Ukraine already has been destroyed? 

Sad...

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1795 on: April 04, 2025, 07:18:45 AM »
Where did you find that stat saying most men under 30 are dead? 
Nobody will know the true casualty count as well as the ages and genders most impacted until long after the conflict ends.  Statistics like yours exist to support talking points since they can't be verified -- but I'm sure you can prove me wrong by posting that link.
Nobody knows the exact living population numbers of US empire too, but that does not mean statements of generalities of that population parameter can't be made.

Ukraine had to decrease its draft age during its conflict with Russia with the US empire still pushing them to decrease its draft age to 18-year-olds; they already have women registering for selective service; and they already draft men as old in their 60's to serve at the battlefront, not to mention their exclusive use of foreign mercenaries as well as constant draft dodging of Ukrainian men of all ages.

Why would Ukraine even need to do all that above if many of its men 30-year-old and under are not already hiding outside of their country or no longer alive on this World?

macsak

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1796 on: April 04, 2025, 08:26:49 AM »
silence, huh?
just like over a year ago when you said that russia was going to overwhelm ukraine...

none of that is what you said

sad...

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1797 on: April 04, 2025, 10:00:48 AM »
silence, huh?
just like over a year ago when you said that russia was going to overwhelm ukraine...
You clearly demonstrate your lack of understanding of the Russian goals in their special military operation in Ukraine.

If you thought their goal was to take over all of Ukraine, you have not paid any attention to what the Russians have been saying all along.  Go educate yourself of what the Russians said their goals are rather than what the US empire thinks what the Russian goals are.

Maybe then, you can see that the Russians have overwhelmed Ukraine based on their goals.

macsak

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1798 on: April 04, 2025, 10:41:08 AM »
you said nothing about goals...

You clearly demonstrate your lack of understanding of the Russian goals in their special military operation in Ukraine.

If you thought their goal was to take over all of Ukraine, you have not paid any attention to what the Russians have been saying all along.  Go educate yourself of what the Russians said their goals are rather than what the US empire thinks what the Russian goals are.

Maybe then, you can see that the Russians have overwhelmed Ukraine based on their goals.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #1799 on: April 04, 2025, 12:47:13 PM »
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Why would Ukraine even need to do all that above if many of its men 30-year-old and under are not already hiding outside of their country or no longer alive on this World?
Let's see ...

The number of people in the country doesn't have to be down to the exact figure to do statistics.  The UN has pretty good estimates of the populations of all major countries, which is where most of the info I looked up came from.

For your statement to be true, more than 50% of the 30 and under males have to have vanished or been killed.  Does you statement also include those males under 18?  Under 21?  Are teens being conscripted into service?  Pre-teens?

I see you've not provided even a blog or X post to back up your comment, much less a link or screenshot.  I can only deduce you pulled that statistic out of your anus.  I hope you remembered to wash your hands.

None of what Ukraine is doing to enlist new recruits is evidence that the under 30 male population is hiding or deceased.  Reported casualty figures say there have been many times more wounded in the fight than killed.  There are no stats I could find in how many injured are no longer capable of fighting.  Did you forget to include that in your calculations?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw