Resident Biden's 2nd State of the Union Address (Read 4495 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Resident Biden's 2nd State of the Union Address
« on: March 01, 2022, 04:32:56 PM »
« Last Edit: March 01, 2022, 07:36:12 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Resident Biden's 2nd State or the Union Address
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2022, 05:30:14 PM »
Its like watching when MDA testifies. But at least they're coheirant.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Resident Biden's 2nd State or the Union Address
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2022, 07:37:17 PM »
Its like watching when MDA testifies. But at least they're coheirant.

Did you watch the short video I posted? 

I would have expected a comment from you if you had.   :geekdanc:   :rofl: :rofl:   :shaka:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Resident Biden's 2nd State of the Union Address
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2022, 07:57:50 PM »
Did you watch the short video I posted? 

I would have expected a comment from you if you had.   :geekdanc:   :rofl: :rofl:   :shaka:
Yup, wonder if someone got fired.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Resident Biden's 2nd State of the Union Address
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2022, 08:59:05 PM »
Yup, wonder if someone got fired.

If I ran the station, I'd give the tech

a raise

a bonus

a corner office

a private bathroom

etc ...

 :rofl:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

DocMercy

Re: Resident Biden's 2nd State of the Union Address
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2022, 11:14:03 AM »
My wife loved the speech. Who am I to argue? I find both Trump and Biden to be lacking in leadership skills, with Trump being the more duplicitous of the two men.
Trump said Putin was clever. Hmmm, it took several days to figure out what he meant. Bingo, he caused hundreds of thousands of Ukraine refugees to flood into Poland. Had they rushed into Texas, Abbott would have ordered the "invaders" to be shot.
A democracy means you can criticize any leader you do not like. It also means that the nation does not belong exclusively to you, and, you need to share power every few years.

changemyoil66

Re: Resident Biden's 2nd State of the Union Address
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2022, 12:02:13 PM »
My wife loved the speech. Who am I to argue? I find both Trump and Biden to be lacking in leadership skills, with Trump being the more duplicitous of the two men.
Trump said Putin was clever. Hmmm, it took several days to figure out what he meant. Bingo, he caused hundreds of thousands of Ukraine refugees to flood into Poland. Had they rushed into Texas, Abbott would have ordered the "invaders" to be shot.
A democracy means you can criticize any leader you do not like. It also means that the nation does not belong exclusively to you, and, you need to share power every few years.

What I find interesting is that the refugees form Ukraine make up a mixture of women, children and men. I can't say the same for Afgan refugees who got a free flight to the US (99% men). 1 could argue that their culture treats women differently so there's that.

You're confusing refugees who's country is literally at war vs. people who want the US life style. (South American illegals) . And with the Afgans, refer to the above. People coming from a country controlled by the T-ban (terrorist org) and coming here instead of going next door which is much easier/faster.

Please tell us how Trump caused the refugees to flee into Poland?  Was he there with a sign that says "Enter Here"?  We had this discussion in another thread. There is a difference between smart and ethical. Even Hitler was a smart ruler, but not ethical.

The US on paper is a democracy. And probably in many states, but not so much in HI. 1 example is the guy who has the sole power to decide what gun bills get heard in the senate. Who is very anti 2a BTW.  He even submitted to disband the 2nd amendment with another senator.  Then add in all the violations against the bill of rights (2a) that the state decides to do. Despite many opposing testimonies from people vs. support testimonies. Example: HB1732 had 140 oppose testimonies and only 1 support, yet the bill passed to it's floor vote. Or the mag ban that had about 1400 oppose testimonies and only 15 support. This passed the senate committee and senate floor votes.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Resident Biden's 2nd State of the Union Address
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2022, 02:09:57 PM »
My wife loved the speech. Who am I to argue? I find both Trump and Biden to be lacking in leadership skills, with Trump being the more duplicitous of the two men.
Trump said Putin was clever. Hmmm, it took several days to figure out what he meant. Bingo, he caused hundreds of thousands of Ukraine refugees to flood into Poland. Had they rushed into Texas, Abbott would have ordered the "invaders" to be shot.
A democracy means you can criticize any leader you do not like. It also means that the nation does not belong exclusively to you, and, you need to share power every few years.
Please show evidence that Abbott has ever ordered any illegal aliens shot just for crossing the border illegally.  Unless he's done it before, how do you know what he's thinking?

Are you saying TRUMP "... [he] caused hundreds of thousands of Ukraine refugees to flood into Poland?"  The use of a pronoun here is ambiguous. 

No, a democracy is "rule by majority."  It includes nothing about speaking up if you disagree with your government or political leaders. 

The Bill of Rights is where you will find protections of specific rights, like freedom of speech.  That's an amendment to the Constitution.   Nowhere in the original text of the Constitution, which was the blueprint upon which this country was built will you find anything about free speech.  The Constitution created a republican form of government, not a democratic form. 

To say the right to speak up about one's leadership is a defining characteristic of democracy is incorrect.  There are several Democratic nations which do not allow any and all criticism of government.  Canada comes to mind.  They use a similar form of government as the US to pass laws and enforce them even though they are still under the British monarchy.  However, they do not have free speech laws at all.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

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DocMercy

Re: Resident Biden's 2nd State of the Union Address
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2022, 04:16:29 PM »
Are you saying TRUMP "... [he] caused hundreds of thousands of Ukraine refugees to flood into Poland?"  The use of a pronoun here is ambiguous.

To say the right to speak up about one's leadership is a defining characteristic of democracy is incorrect.  There are several Democratic nations which do not allow any and all criticism of government.  Canada comes to mind.   

No I am saying Putin is at fault for refugees flooding into Poland. As someone who is smarter than a lawyer, this is the way a judge would interpret the sentence. Unless you know something that I don't (i.e., Trump is a co-conspirator [hypothetical]), please do not read between the lines.

Sorry for being the only one on the forum for being anti-Trump and anti-Biden. A healthy dose of skepticism is good for most citizens. The majority of Americans did not vote for Trump, even when you run through the Electoral College wringer. The only way to prove this is for him to run again in 2024 and to provide each voter with a blockchain receipt of their ballot, and give the government the right to subpoena receipts from any person to statistically demonstrate the counts from voting machines were valid. The Constitution would need an amendment to nullify secret ballots. Does Monte Hall have a deal or not?

Now, how many Canadians have been arrested for calling Trudeau a twit? And I did not say that free speech was an absolute right, just as US citizens are advised not to shout fire in a crowded theater, or knowingly libel a person under the language of the law. However, free speech is alive and healthy in Canada.

https://www.mondaq.com/canada/constitutional-administrative-law/1047788/a-victory-for-freedom-of-speech
« Last Edit: March 02, 2022, 04:39:11 PM by DocMercy »

changemyoil66

Re: Resident Biden's 2nd State of the Union Address
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2022, 04:22:33 PM »
No I am saying Putin is at fault for refugees flooding into Poland. As someone who is smarter than a lawyer, this is the way a judge would interpret the sentence. Unless you know something that I don't (i.e., Trump is a co-conspirator [hypothetical]), please do not read between the lines.

Sorry for being the only one on the forum for being anti-Trump and anti-Biden. A healthy dose of skepticism is good for most citizens. The majority of Americans did not vote for Trump, even when you run through the Electoral College wringer. The only way to prove this is for him to run again in 2024 and to provide each voter with a blockchain receipt of their ballot, and give the government the right to subpoena receipts from any person to statistically demonstrate the counts from voting machines were valid. The Constitution would need an amendment to nullify secret ballots. Does Monte Hall have a deal or not?
Read the election fraud thread from page 1 .

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DocMercy

Re: Resident Biden's 2nd State of the Union Address
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2022, 04:43:26 PM »
Read the election fraud thread from page 1 .

Just because people believe in their heart of hearts does not make an opinion correct. Conservatives have billions of dollars. They are not an endangered species. Prove your case in a court of law. Or do you prefer another violent revolution or coup d'etat?

hvybarrels

Re: Resident Biden's 2nd State of the Union Address
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2022, 05:00:19 PM »
Or do you prefer another violent revolution or coup d'etat?

You would like that, yeah? Just the excuse you need to polish your totalitarian boots with our faces.

Sharing is caring, but forced redistribution is communism.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Resident Biden's 2nd State of the Union Address
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2022, 07:20:09 PM »
No I am saying Putin is at fault for refugees flooding into Poland. As someone who is smarter than a lawyer, this is the way a judge would interpret the sentence. Unless you know something that I don't (i.e., Trump is a co-conspirator [hypothetical]), please do not read between the lines.

Sorry for being the only one on the forum for being anti-Trump and anti-Biden. A healthy dose of skepticism is good for most citizens. The majority of Americans did not vote for Trump, even when you run through the Electoral College wringer. The only way to prove this is for him to run again in 2024 and to provide each voter with a blockchain receipt of their ballot, and give the government the right to subpoena receipts from any person to statistically demonstrate the counts from voting machines were valid. The Constitution would need an amendment to nullify secret ballots. Does Monte Hall have a deal or not?

Now, how many Canadians have been arrested for calling Trudeau a twit? And I did not say that free speech was an absolute right, just as US citizens are advised not to shout fire in a crowded theater, or knowingly libel a person under the language of the law. However, free speech is alive and healthy in Canada.

https://www.mondaq.com/canada/constitutional-administrative-law/1047788/a-victory-for-freedom-of-speech

Don't even try to call me out for your poor writing skills.

You said, "Trump said Putin was clever. Hmmm, it took several days to figure out what he meant. Bingo, he caused hundreds of thousands of Ukraine refugees to flood into Poland."

If I ask for clarification, it's because the use of multiple names and pronouns in several sentences make the references ambiguous.

God knows, I can't read YOUR mind.   :wacko:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Resident Biden's 2nd State of the Union Address
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2022, 07:27:44 PM »
Canadian man facing six months in jail for tweets criticizing feminists

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3de7fj/canadian_man_facing_six_months_in_jail_for_tweets/

Free expression is alive and well in Canada.  All the government is doing is placing "common sense" restrictions on what you can say.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Resident Biden's 2nd State of the Union Address
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2022, 07:31:44 PM »
I've posted this before, but it needs repeating:

If you use the "Yelling 'FIRE!' in a crowded theater" as your example of how speech is restricted in the US, you haven't done your research.

You absolutely have the right to yell that in a theater, crowded or not.

Question:  If you yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater, and nobody believes you -- they just return to the movie and refreshments, do you really think you'll be arrested for that "speech"?

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Resident Biden's 2nd State of the Union Address
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2022, 12:06:37 AM »
Just because people believe in their heart of hearts does not make an opinion correct. Conservatives have billions of dollars. They are not an endangered species. Prove your case in a court of law. Or do you prefer another violent revolution or coup d'etat?
Ill repeat, please read the election fraud thread from page 1. Then come back and see if your opinion makes sense.

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DocMercy

Re: Resident Biden's 2nd State of the Union Address
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2022, 08:55:06 AM »
Canadian man facing six months in jail for tweets criticizing feminists

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3de7fj/canadian_man_facing_six_months_in_jail_for_tweets/

Free expression is alive and well in Canada.  All the government is doing is placing "common sense" restrictions on what you can say.

Do you just read headlines and post the first take on a story? Since when is the Reddit platform an authority on anything? You constantly knock Wikipedia on just about everything, yet fail to research the story.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/mvxwdy/canadas-first-twitter-harassment-trial-sets-a-scary-precedent-for-women

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Judge Brent Knazan found Gregory Alan Elliott not guilty of criminally harassing Toronto feminists Steph Guthrie and Heather Reilly.
"My reaction to that ruling was 'Great, it's open season on women now,'" Ontario NDP MPP Cheri DiNovo told VICE. "You can say whatever you will about whatever woman you want, it's just freedom of expression."

I wholeheartedly do not approve of what Elliott did. Most female members of a household would be upset at his actions too. Just another example of the demise of civilization.

changemyoil66

Re: Resident Biden's 2nd State of the Union Address
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2022, 12:02:58 PM »
Do you just read headlines and post the first take on a story? Since when is the Reddit platform an authority on anything? You constantly knock Wikipedia on just about everything, yet fail to research the story.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/mvxwdy/canadas-first-twitter-harassment-trial-sets-a-scary-precedent-for-women

I wholeheartedly do not approve of what Elliott did. Most female members of a household would be upset at his actions too. Just another example of the demise of civilization.

The link provided also had another link to an article. Which after the link, stated to "read the whole thing", which to me implies click the link and read the story further.

From my XP here, Flapp doesn't just read headlines like how another former member here did. But also no one is perfect, so we all get stuff mistaken from time to time.  But in this isn't the case in this post.

Then add in to my understanding, that post also had sarcasm included at the end when common sense was mentioned.  So it wasn't a deep dive into proving something.

But you are correct, a Reddit post alone has credibility issues, that is unless it also has supporting documentation.  1 can say the same thing for this forum as well. So often people like Flapp will post his supporting documentation via links.  But to be fair, are mainstream media credible? I mean they wrote about Russian collusion for years and none were true. So any CNN link or like would hold similar weight as wikipeida or Reddit.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Resident Biden's 2nd State of the Union Address
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2022, 01:28:23 PM »
Do you just read headlines and post the first take on a story? Since when is the Reddit platform an authority on anything? You constantly knock Wikipedia on just about everything, yet fail to research the story.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/mvxwdy/canadas-first-twitter-harassment-trial-sets-a-scary-precedent-for-women

I wholeheartedly do not approve of what Elliott did. Most female members of a household would be upset at his actions too. Just another example of the demise of civilization.

Did you bother to read the Reddit post, or just the headline I posted?

Links in the Reddit contain the "receipts" you pretend are missing, just so you can discredit the "source".  One link includes a TON of evidence used in the trial.

And if you have to go to VICE for anything, you're already scraping a hole in the bottom of the Journalism barrel.

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These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection
and/or political affiliation.  They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an
audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of
information that may damage liberal causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.
...
Overall, we rate Vox Left Biased due to wording and story selection that routinely favors the left. We
also rate them Mostly Factual in reporting, rather than High, due to two failed fact checks, with only one
offering a correction.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/vox/

And, since you seem to trust Quora:
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Facts about Vox:

1. Founded by a far left journalist
2. Has been labled as liberally biased by every credible source which examines bias in the media
3. Has nearly a 96% liberal viewer base
4. Operates a far left opinion/selective news site in order to cater to far left existing viewer base. If they were fair 20% of the time it would equate to losing 20% of web traffic.
5. It's driven by catering to existing audience in order to be profitable, as opposed to being a thought driven online publication that views more than one side of an issue involving thoughtful debate.
https://www.quora.com/How-biased-is-Vox-news?share=1

Vox was purchased by NBCUniversal in 2015, and since then has received millions annually to operate.  However, their revenue falls far short of their NBC-infused cash.

Vox Media to lay off about 72 employees as advertising revenue slumps
amid coronavirus quarantines


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Vox Media owns news, technology and culture sites such as Vox, The Verge, New York Magazine, Eater, SBNation and Curbed.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/16/vox-media-lays-off-72-employees-as-advertising-revenue-slumps.html
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw