What all is needed to fly from Hawaii to the mainland with your firearms? (Read 6006 times)

Markbilbo

Aloha! Curious to see what all is needed to bring my guns to the mainland with me.

changemyoil66

What airline?

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pacwire

I have flown Hawaiian Airlines:

1). Check airlines Website

2) check TSA

Print all the iinformation in case the worker is MISINFORMED about their Rules.

Aloha!

Markbilbo

What airline?

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I haven’t figured out what airline. Do you need to bring your registration and stuff with you? I’m buying my tickets later this week so I’m trying to see what all I need to get.

Flapp_Jackson

I haven’t figured out what airline. Do you need to bring your registration and stuff with you? I’m buying my tickets later this week so I’m trying to see what all I need to get.

Is this a permanent relocation for the firearms, or are they planning a return trip, too?

How many guns are you talking about traveling with?  Long guns?  Pistols?  Both?

Are you traveling alone (just you and your guns)?

The basic, common questions have all been answered here many times.  Maybe do a quick search to find them.

I prompted for more info, because there may be some tips or considerations to be offered depending on your plans, what you're taking, etc.



The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Markbilbo

Is this a permanent relocation for the firearms, or are they planning a return trip, too?

How many guns are you talking about traveling with?  Long guns?  Pistols?  Both?

Are you traveling alone (just you and your guns)?

The basic, common questions have all been answered here many times.  Maybe do a quick search to find them.

I prompted for more info, because there may be some tips or considerations to be offered depending on your plans, what you're taking, etc.


I’m permanently relocating. Only bringing my pistol with me. I shipped my rifle with my house hold things already. I’m traveling with my wife but I’m worried because all my important paperwork has already been shipped back to the mainland so I’m trying to figure out what I need to do.

changemyoil66

I haven’t figured out what airline. Do you need to bring your registration and stuff with you? I’m buying my tickets later this week so I’m trying to see what all I need to get.
No reg required.

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RifleArts

Lockable case with TSA locks
You retain the key
Check in with an agent not kiosk and declare the firearm
They will drop a firearm card in your luggage/case
Send it

You may have to wait at the bag drop area after you send it invade the TSA guys have access issues. (At least on the HAL side)

Not a big deal to do.

Aloha! Curious to see what all is needed to bring my guns to the mainland with me.

Flapp_Jackson

Basic rules:

There are 2 sets of rules you need to know and follow.

#1 -  TSA:Transporting Firearms and Ammunition
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting-firearms-and-ammunition

#2 - Your airline's rules, normally posted on their website.  For example, United Airlines:  Sports equipment --> Firearms toggle ...
https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/baggage/sports-equipment.html

It's a good idea to at least have these bookmarked on your phone.  A print-out of the pages might also be prudent in the event a worker doesn't know their airline's rules.

The requirements for pistols are to lock them in a TSA-approved case with locks only you have the combo and/or keys for.  Do not use TSA-accessible locks, no matter what you may see online.  TSA used to try to force that on travelers, but they've changed that to allow only the gun owner to be able to open the locks. 

If you are buying locks for a gun case, make sure they don't have very long hasps/shackles.  If it's too long, the case can be opened perhaps wide enough to squeeze the gun through the opening.  If you happen to have locks already that are too long, you can run the shackles through a couple of steel nuts to take up the slack.

Unless you have a larger than normal gun case, place it inside a piece of checked luggage.  Do not lock that piece of luggage.  The airlines and TSA must be able to open it for inspection.  Weight limits and add-on charges will apply, so be sure that suitcase isn't over-size or over-weight to make things go more smoothly. 

Unload and clear the gun prior to packing.  Empty mags can be included in the gun case, but no ammo.  Any ammo must be in either the packaging it came from the factory in (with the inserts that separate each round individually), or another box you have that has those dividers to prevent the ammo from being loose and bumping into one another.  The box can be plastic, cardboard, etc.  Makes no difference as long as there are dividers to hold each round.

Do not put any of your ammo in the gun case.  Gun in a locked case -- ammo in divided cases -- both in check bag/s.

There are limits for how much ammo is allowed per person, normally 11 lbs.  If you're not taking ammo, then no sense in going into it further unless you have questions.

Depending on your flight destination and layovers, make sure (1) your gun is legal in each state where you'll be traveling through, and (2) that you can legally transport a gun in each of those states should you be delayed.  There have been horror stories of people traveling through NY and NJ with their legal firearms.  The problems usually occur when the flights are cancelled, you miss a connection, bad weather -- something causes you to spend the night where you thought it was a short layover and connection.

As long as the airline has the gun, you're fine.  If you claim your luggage and take a gun to a hotel, that might be another matter.  People have been arrested at the airport for possessing a firearm they brought into the state the day before, even though they intended to only be traveling through with it.  Moral of the story is to not have guns that are prohibited by a state's laws, and don't schedule a flight through those states if at all possible.  Some here have suggested if you find yourself spending a night in these states unexpectedly, do not claim that bag that has the gun.  Leave it in the possession of the airline overnight after coordinating with them so you never take possession of it there.  Haven't dealt with this, but it's a viable option.  Shouldn't be an issue, but best to be aware and ready to handle it if it ever happens to you.

Make sure to have your name and phone number on the inside of the luggage and gun case as well as baggage tags outside the luggage.  Do not put anything drawing attention to the gun on the outside of the bag.  I personally stopped putting my address on my luggage over privacy concerns.  A cell phone number is all anyone needs to return a lost bag to you.

You can put holsters, mags, accessories and parts in your checked bag, but don't try to take anything gun-related in your carry-on.  Even if it's something innocuous like a red dot sight or set of grips, the airlines are afraid that a team of passengers might try to get all the parts for a gun through security, then assemble it once airborne.  So, nothing gun-related in carry-ons, especially ammo.

The process for checking in with a gun is simple with most airlines. 

1)  You'll need to go to an agent at the check-in counter and say, "I'd like to declare a firearm."  The airline rep will have you fill out a declaration form, basically letting them know you unloaded the gun, there's no ammo in the case, it's locked inside an approved container, etc.  There's an inconsistency on where that card gets placed.  I think it belongs in the luggage, but some reps have you put it inside the gun case.  Whether or not it makes sense, just follow their directions.  Nobody will go to jail if the form is not in the right place.

2)  United had me stand by the counter for 15 minutes to see if anyone calls from baggage.  If not, they verify it was processed and let me go to the security checkpoint.  If anyone has questions, it's easier to find you at check-in.  Make sure you allotted extra time for all of this.

3)  If TSA asks you to open the case, do it.  If they reach for the firearm, I would ask what they are doing.  If they want to check to see if it's loaded they ought to ask you to show them it's clear.  Nobody has any business handling your gun but you.

4)  Don't lose your baggage claim check.  Nowadays, that's normally on your phone.  If not, you can take a pic of it before it leaves on the conveyor at check-in.  You can also take a pic of the claim tags usually stapled or inserted in your ticket holder.  So much of travel documents have changed with kiosk check-ins, printing boarding passes at home and so forth, how you claim your bags can vary.  If anything happens that your bag is lost or delayed, you'll need that baggage check-in information.

5)  Keep your bag with the gun next to you at all times in the airport until it's given to the airline.  It's one thing to report a bag being stolen in the restroom or while you napped before boarding.  It's another to report a stolen firearm -- in an airport of all places.

6)  When claiming your baggage, make sure the gun case is still inside the bag and the locks are still in place.  Don't open the gun case in baggage claim.  Wait until you are away from the airport if you feel like verifying it hasn't somehow escaped.

Seems like a lot to worry about, but each step is simple.  Much of these points are more tips and recommendations than requirements anyway.

HPD:
Here's a thread on how you can notify HPD you moved the guns out of state permanently.  Don't procrastinate.  They can fine you $100 if you don't meet the 5-day requirement.

If you have your registration form, you can email an image of it to HPD.

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

RSN172

Lockable case with without TSA locks inside a suitcase with TSA locks.
You retain the key
Check in with an agent not kiosk and declare the firearm
They will drop a firearm card in your luggage/case
Send it

You may have to wait at the bag drop area after you send it invade the TSA guys have access issues. (At least on the HAL side)

Not a big deal to do.
FIFY. The firearm card will be placed inside the suitcase but not in the gun case.

Out of ITO and HNL I had ammo in the gun case and no problem.
Out of PHX of all places, I had to take the ammo out and put it in the other
suitcase I was checking in.  That was a big hassle since both were at the 50 lb
limit and I had to repack a lot of stuff since I had about 9 lb of ammo.
Happily living in Puna

pacwire

Interesting...

In My case (Hawaiian Airlines), the Gun declaration card was placed outside my case, in the luggage....Leaving HNL and Returning to HNL via Las Vegas.  The ONLY times i had AMMO Weighed was when i ONLY had Ammo in the Case...Don't know why...When i had a Handgun and Ammo, Ammo didn't need to be weighed.  Was told that TSA would XRay case and they had 20 minutes to inspect case if necessary.  However when i checked in my bags, i was asked to lock case

I had a friend bring back ammo for me on DELTA Airlines.  He told me the 2x, he didn't have to have it weighed, nor was the bag tagged differently.  He said the agent told him that if he had a firearm, then the declarations form etc.

Good luck

drck1000

Interesting...

In My case (Hawaiian Airlines), the Gun declaration card was placed outside my case, in the luggage....Leaving HNL and Returning to HNL via Las Vegas.  The ONLY times i had AMMO Weighed was when i ONLY had Ammo in the Case...Don't know why...When i had a Handgun and Ammo, Ammo didn't need to be weighed.  Was told that TSA would XRay case and they had 20 minutes to inspect case if necessary.  However when i checked in my bags, i was asked to lock case

I had a friend bring back ammo for me on DELTA Airlines.  He told me the 2x, he didn't have to have it weighed, nor was the bag tagged differently.  He said the agent told him that if he had a firearm, then the declarations form etc.

Good luck
The varying approached/policies/implementation not surprising.  There's a thread somewhere on here where I traveled to BI with guns and two other 2a members (separate party, but going to same destination) were in line together in HNL.  We each had three different agents help us and all had different implementation.  I would have to check, but I recall where ammo is in luggage was one big difference.

I've always had the tag placed inside the case, but it's not like it's a secret what's in it.  I have had many gate agents insist that the locks be TSA. . . uh, no

Rocky

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changemyoil66

FIFY. The firearm card will be placed inside the suitcase but not in the gun case.

Out of ITO and HNL I had ammo in the gun case and no problem.
Out of PHX of all places, I had to take the ammo out and put it in the other
suitcase I was checking in.  That was a big hassle since both were at the 50 lb
limit and I had to repack a lot of stuff since I had about 9 lb of ammo.

Both trips to Vegas recently via Hawaiian Airlines. HNL to Vegas orange card placed inside my locked gun case. Vegas to HNL, orange card placed inside my suit case and not inside the locked gun case.

Flapp_Jackson

Both trips to Vegas recently via Hawaiian Airlines. HNL to Vegas orange card placed inside my locked gun case. Vegas to HNL, orange card placed inside my suit case and not inside the locked gun case.

So, no matter which is correct, you're still 50/50 for the trip.   :rofl:

The way the declaration card for United read, it belonged outside the locked case so anyone inspecting the bag knew the contents and that it was declared to be unloaded.  Why include a form inside the case that nobody with the airline or TSA can access?

No matter the intent of the card, I personally lean toward locking it up in the case.  One less indicator of "what's in the box?" Should a dishonest baggage handler, TSA inspector, or anyone else have access, I'd prefer they not be told what's inside. 

I once had another passenger claim my suitcase by mistake.  Luckily he was sitting outside the claim area waiting on his ride -- after I filled out a missing luggage report with United, which was after all bags had been unloaded and put on the carrousel.  Lucky his ride took their time!  If I'd had a locked case inside, which I did not, a declaration form would remove any doubt about what he'd accidentally taken.

I also had a bag delayed due to a connecting flight being delayed. I made it onto the alternate flight, but my luggage didn't.  The airline took nearly 12 hours to reroute my bag and deliver it to where I was staying.  As far as I knew, anyone could have opened that bag.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

My first trip with firearms was on United.  On the way back the departure gate agent mentioned having to go do customer service desk in HNL upon arrival.  That was similar to where I had to claim my gun case in Alaska.  Arrive and get to the carousel just in time to see my gun case come up the conveyor.   

robtmc

Aloha! Curious to see what all is needed to bring my guns to the mainland with me.
Skimming over the replies, looks like all has been covered.

My experince a few weeks ago on Southwest Air:

Early morning flight from Kona to Phoenix. 
Had to first run the luggage through the agriculture thing.
Approach ticket counter, tell them I have a firearm in locked case and 6.5 lbs of ammo to declare.
They direct me to a guy that appears a lot more on the ball than the others.  He gets a chuckle out of my declaring firearm AND ammo.
He has me fill out a card, takes a quick look at the locked case in the suitcase. 
Sticks a card (white, not orange) onto the case and says good to go.  No look at contents of case.  Suitcase is then wrapped by my combo security strap (TSA lock)
Wife wanted me to bring a xerox of HI registration.  I said bullshit, this was all federal stuff.  i was right.
No request from TSA about looking in the case, it was just gone.
No special luggage service routine in Phoenix, it just appeared on the carousel.

The last is funny, as on American, ammo in the luggage required picking up at the service counter, and the Kona counter agents were a bit mystified how to deal with it.

YMMV, will be doing this again with a long gun hard case in the future.
Oh yeah, because of the crap Flapp went through, I will not be transporting on other than nonstop flights.