https://www.civilbeat.org/2022/04/kauai-deputy-police-chief-faces-fine-after-carrying-gun-through-airport-security/

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I had a concealed carry permit for many years in my then home state of Washington.
Gun and holster became as familiar as carrying your wallet.
Like your wallet, you ALWAYS knew where it was.

This guy being a Cop, who has explicit permission to shoot anybody he sees as a threat,
should be held to the highest standards and given no, I repeat no, breaks upon
violations of public safety!

Having personally gone through the efforts of transporting guns on aircraft,
I think the cop should get the maximum fine for his arrogance.  Ya'll check your guns
at the door, like every other passenger.
 

Probably going get off with one warning since he one high ranking LEO and this is Hawaii, land of da free elites and oppressed masses.

The guy that had the revolver belt buckle in his carry-on baggage got arrested, from what I read.

Given the amount of effort it takes to comply with airport and TSA rules for transporting a firearm, I can't imagine anyone who plans to go to an airport and board a flight hasn't prepared for the trip by getting a lockable container, proper locks AND DECLARING THE FIREARM at check-in.

Anyone who tosses a firearm in their carry-on is too stupid and/or too arrogant to be in law enforcement -- maybe even too much for owning and carrying a gun.

A civil fine might be okay from the TSA's and airport's perspective, but there should be a review of the incident by the people/police commission/mayor/Governor/SOMEBODY.  If these are the people enforcing the laws on ALL OF US, then we need to ensure they are capable of learning and following the same laws.  I've seen other cases where someone with a firearm forgot it was in a backpack, etc.  If they cooperated, showed they were embarrassed and apologetic, and generally never intended to sneak past security with a gun, a fine is ..... fine.   

But, if he thought he could bypass the rules out of "professional courtesy", some kind of "unofficial law enforcement exemption", or whatnot, that's an intentional act and should be punished at least in some way by his superiors.

Just my thoughts.

This guy thinks he's special.  How nice of him to think that way.

Make an example of him.  Prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law.

But then this is Hawaii so I dunno.

I missed it in the Civil Beat article, but read on HNN that they confiscated the gun and let him board the flight.

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/04/13/kpd-deputy-chief-under-investigation-after-being-stopped-tsa-gun-carry-on/

Anyone who tosses a firearm in their carry-on is too stupid and/or too arrogant to be in law enforcement -- maybe even too much for owning and carrying a gun.

You left out forgetful.

I could imagine how this could happen by accident to a cop, or anyone really. Someone who travels with a bag that they carry every day normally could easily forget to remove the firearm from the bag before traveling. I think this is more likely for cops and people who live in states where carry is allowed since they may carry the gun in the bag everyday.

I don't think forgetfulness is a defense to prosecution but in terms of deciding a level of punishment I think the inherent tendency of humans to forget things innocently should be considered.

You left out forgetful.

I could imagine how this could happen by accident to a cop, or anyone really. Someone who travels with a bag that they carry every day normally could easily forget to remove the firearm from the bag before traveling. I think this is more likely for cops and people who live in states where carry is allowed since they may carry the gun in the bag everyday.

I don't think forgetfulness is a defense to prosecution but in terms of deciding a level of punishment I think the inherent tendency of humans to forget things innocently should be considered.

Negligent, not forgetful.

We're talking about a tool that falls in the category of "lethal force."  It requires a bit more care and attention than your wallet or car keys.

But, maybe that's just how we responsible gun owners think. 

Bad things happen when people are negligent.  "Forgetful" is a cop-out (pun intended).

Negligent, not forgetful.

We're talking about a tool that falls in the category of "lethal force."  It requires a bit more care and attention than your wallet or car keys.

But, maybe that's just how we responsible gun owners think. 

Bad things happen when people are negligent.  "Forgetful" is a cop-out (pun intended).

We responsible gun owners make more mistakes than we would like to admit, even we aren't immune to forgetting things.

Is it negligent? Sure, this case can be made but it is not one or the other.
People forget things or are negligent in their actions all the time and unfortunately sometimes it results in serious consequences. There are people who are smart yet they forget their child in a hot car. Remembering or not remembering something is not a reliable indicator of whether someone is stupid.

We responsible gun owners make more mistakes than we would like to admit, even we aren't immune to forgetting things.

Is it negligent? Sure, this case can be made but it is not one or the other.
People forget things or are negligent in their actions all the time and unfortunately sometimes it results in serious consequences. There are people who are smart yet they forget their child in a hot car. Remembering or not remembering something is not a reliable indicator of whether someone is stupid.

So, now you're speaking for all responsible gun owners and admitting for us that we all make mistakes when it comes to properly transporting firearms?

Really?

I also don't think you understand the meaning of "negligence."  You seem to have the "Hillary Defense" in mind.

When I know I'll be checking a gun in at the airport, I have it IN THE LOCKED CASE, and if small enough IN MY CHECKED BAG.  It's unloaded, and ready to be declared.

If you wait until you're at the check-in counter, you're doing it wrong.  Even if you're LE, there's little to no chance you'll need to use it from your home or hotel to the boarding gate.  If it makes you feel better, and you have a car, do the prep work inside the vehicle, which gives you protection up until the moment you arrive at the airport.

Nobody should be clearing a loaded weapon at the check-in counter.  That's too obvious.

Nowhere in that process is there an allowance for "I forgot I had my gun on me."  If you KNOW you are traveling, and you KNOW you have to declare your firearm, there's no excuse for "forgetfulness."  You prepare for checking it in and declaring it before you get there.  Anything else is irresponsible.

Nowhere in that process is there an allowance for "I forgot I had my gun on me."  If you KNOW you are traveling, and you KNOW you have to declare your firearm, there's no excuse for "forgetfulness."  You prepare for checking it in and declaring it before you get there.  Anything else is irresponsible.

I never said it wasn't irresponsible. You made out a false dichotomy between stupid and arrogant by leaving out forgetful. You can call it negligence which is fine but it is still an issue of being forgetful.

Article from KHON2 says a US Rep from North Carolina had a loaded handgun in his carry-on. FIrearm was confiscated, he was cited and they let him go.

https://www.khon2.com/news/national/tsa-airport-security-finds-loaded-gun-in-cawthorns-bag/

Article from KHON2 says a US Rep from North Carolina had a loaded handgun in his carry-on. FIrearm was confiscated, he was cited and they let him go.

https://www.khon2.com/news/national/tsa-airport-security-finds-loaded-gun-in-cawthorns-bag/

At least it was a Staccato

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/tsa-airport-security-finds-loaded-gun-in-cawthorn-s-bag/ar-AAWCY7o

Since this was Congressman Cawthorn's second attempt at carrying a gun in violation of TSA rules, expect a law giving politicians a free pass with handguns, wherever they choose to carry one. Even in the Capitol, maybe. Soon after the House of Representatives changes hands in 2025.

This bad boy is a great example for young people. He even drives around with an expired license, and owns a handgun most of his constituents cannot afford.