Would you need an FFL to ship an upper receiver to Hawaii. I was thinking of going with a 13.5 with a long-ass muzzle device Pin and weld or just another 16 inch.

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Not needed.

Only if its serialized part, ifs ar platform more than likely not.  Uppers such as the ruger mark pistols the upper reciver is the serialized part.

Only if its serialized part, ifs ar platform more than likely not.  Uppers such as the ruger mark pistols the upper reciver is the serialized part.

More specifically, the part that is classified as a firearm. VP9's have the barrel serialized and you don't need a FFL to bring in the barrel.  SIG P320 is the fire control unit and not the frame of the gun is the serialized part and the part that's considered the firearm.

More specifically, the part that is classified as a firearm. VP9's have the barrel serialized and you don't need a FFL to bring in the barrel.  SIG P320 is the fire control unit and not the frame of the gun is the serialized part and the part that's considered the firearm.

The first part about the vp9. Did ya make a typo? Or am I reading it wrong lol?

Anywho, OP... You dont need an FFL to bring in ar15 uppers. But some vendors wont ship complete uppers less than 16 inches. Check with them first before ordering. Its stupid, i know, we can pin and weld to make the minimum rifle length of 16 inches.

More specifically, the part that is classified as a firearm. VP9's have the barrel serialized and you don't need a FFL to bring in the barrel.  SIG P320 is the fire control unit and not the frame of the gun is the serialized part and the part that's considered the firearm.

A barrel is not a frame or receiver.  So that part doesn't qualify as the "firearm" whether or not it's serialized.

I think the more correct answer is the part of the gun that houses the trigger control group (TCG) is the part that requires an FFL.

If you're struggling with these definitions for a "firearm", you're not alone.  The ATF is struggling, too.  Every time they make a definition too specific, new designs and technical changes make the definitions inapplicable.  The ATF likes to use industry standards when they define something, but there are many examples of  nonstandard firearm designs that conflict with those definitions.

The AR-15 is made up of 2 separable receivers.  The lower receiver has been viewed for decades as the "firearm" requiring FFL controls.  However, the ATF definitions include characteristics like "contains the firing pin" which applies to the upper.  Because the definitions are ambiguous, and even the ATF doesn't require uppers to be controlled, they are fumbling in court when someone manufactures a receiver as the current definition excludes 2-part receivers that house different components of the firearm.

If you want to read up on the latest ATF info on this, go here:

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2022/04/26/2022-08026/definition-of-frame-or-receiver-and-identification-of-firearms

Anyway, the best way to tell if a part needs an FFL is to go online and try to order one.  If the site requests an FFL at check-out, then it's a controlled item.  If not, it's legal to ship to you directly.

You're still allowed to buy P80 80% receivers here, but they have to be serialized by the seller and handled by a local FFL, even though they are not, by ATF definition, firearms.

A barrel is not a frame or receiver.  So that part doesn't qualify as the "firearm" whether or not it's serialized.

I think the more correct answer is the part of the gun that houses the trigger control group (TCG) is the part that requires an FFL.

If you're struggling with these definitions for a "firearm", you're not alone.  The ATF is struggling, too.  Every time they make a definition too specific, new designs and technical changes make the definitions inapplicable.  The ATF likes to use industry standards when they define something, but there are many examples of  nonstandard firearm designs that conflict with those definitions.

The AR-15 is made up of 2 separable receivers.  The lower receiver has been viewed for decades as the "firearm" requiring FFL controls.  However, the ATF definitions include characteristics like "contains the firing pin" which applies to the upper.  Because the definitions are ambiguous, and even the ATF doesn't require uppers to be controlled, they are fumbling in court when someone manufactures a receiver as the current definition excludes 2-part receivers that house different components of the firearm.

If you want to read up on the latest ATF info on this, go here:

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2022/04/26/2022-08026/definition-of-frame-or-receiver-and-identification-of-firearms

Anyway, the best way to tell if a part needs an FFL is to go online and try to order one.  If the site requests an FFL at check-out, then it's a controlled item.  If not, it's legal to ship to you directly.

You're still allowed to buy P80 80% receivers here, but they have to be serialized by the seller and handled by a local FFL, even though they are not, by ATF definition, firearms.

Oic ic. Didn't know vp9s had serial numbers on their barrels. Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure theres numbers on my glock barrels. But I'm way too lazy to dig out my glocks to see if it matches my serial number.

But you right, most well known websites will say "FFL required" on the item in question.

Oic ic. Didn't know vp9s had serial numbers on their barrels. Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure theres numbers on my glock barrels. But I'm way too lazy to dig out my glocks to see if it matches my serial number.

But you right, most well known websites will say "FFL required" on the item in question.

All my Glocks have matching serial numbers between the steel plate embedded in the polymer frame, the slide, and the barrel.  I think the additional metal engraving on a polymer gun's barrel and slide is just an attempt to be overly cautious, since a metal plate can be removed from the frame -- "accidentally" of course.

The first part about the vp9. Did ya make a typo? Or am I reading it wrong lol?

Anywho, OP... You dont need an FFL to bring in ar15 uppers. But some vendors wont ship complete uppers less than 16 inches. Check with them first before ordering. Its stupid, i know, we can pin and weld to make the minimum rifle length of 16 inches.

No typo. The slide is also serialized.

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I just had all my upper receivers shipped to my house..only the lowers need to be sent to a FFL because it’s needs to be registere
So you will need your rifle permit in order to pick it up
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