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aieahound

Compromise
« on: June 09, 2022, 12:10:24 PM »
I’m willing to compromise my 2A Right if it’s a compromise.

I agree with:

1. Universal Background Checks (even they don’t work no skin off our nose)
2. 21 age limit for buying guns.

OK with:
3. Cap on high capacity magazines over 30 rounds. (30 round is standard capacity.)

=

1. Constitutional carry
2. Legalize suppressors for hearing protection. (Public health issue.)
3. Pistol mag cap at 30 rounds.

Lot of talk on can’t give an inch. Giving is not compromise.
But compromise? I’m willing to give to get.
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changemyoil66

Re: Compromise
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2022, 12:30:28 PM »
InB4 the dumpster fire starts.

But in all seriousness the issue is once a limit is set on mag count, there is nothing to prevent a further reduction later. And same with age. Today is 21, but what about 30 or 40 or 50?  Which age bracket causes the most gun crimes.18 is the only logical answer because you are an adult. You don't need parental consent to do stuff.

So...

Universal Background checks (which area already being done)

FOR

Constitutional carry
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oldfart

Re: Compromise
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2022, 01:15:51 PM »

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groveler

Re: Compromise
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2022, 01:40:02 PM »
Quote from: aieahound on June 09, 2022, 12:10:24 PM
I’m willing to compromise my 2A Right if it’s a compromise.

I agree with:

1. Universal Background Checks (even they don’t work no skin off our nose)
2. 21 age limit for buying guns.

OK with:
3. Cap on high capacity magazines over 30 rounds. (30 round is standard capacity.)

=

1. Constitutional carry
2. Legalize suppressors for hearing protection. (Public health issue.)
3. Pistol mag cap at 30 rounds.

Lot of talk on can’t give an inch. Giving is not compromise.
But compromise? I’m willing to give to get.
I disagree.
No background checks
No magazine limits.

I bought my first rifle through the mail at age 12.
That rifle hasn't killed any people.

Y'all don't compromise on God given rights.

You do obliterate any person that harms others.
 :thumbsup:

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zippz

Re: Compromise
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2022, 01:44:57 PM »
You don't want to make compromises.  If you think it'll stop there, you're wrong.  Your rights will continue to be erroded a little at a time.

The UBC requires all private sales to go through a FFL.  That means more time required, FFL costs, documentation of the transaction,  etc.  The transaction would in effect be a Federal registry as they would pass a law requiring FFL's to keep transaction records indefinitely, which would then be subject to subpoenas or be transferred to the ATF when the store eventually closes down.

The 21 age limit is also a no go and is discrimination of a right for an independent adult, it's almost like saying black people can't have guns because they have the highest gun violence rate.

Caps on magazines is also a no go as you're restricting a 2A right for no reason.


I'm guessing none of these compromises affect you.  Be careful cause it's easy to say anything when you have nothing to lose.  These things are very important to a lot of gun owners.  The 18 year old who walks through a ghetto to get to work.  The indepenence person in Texas who wants to keep his firearms purchases off the books to prevent firearms confiscation from a tyrannical government.  Or having over 30rnd magazines for people who have it for tactical reasons, to prevent foreign invasion.  It may not matter to you, but it can matter a lot to other people.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Compromise
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2022, 01:48:49 PM »
If You Give a Mouse a Cookie

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If You Give a Mouse a Cookie is a children's book written by Laura Numeroff and illustrated by Felicia Bond,
first published in 1985 by Harper and Row. Described as a "circular tale",[1] illustrating a slippery slope, ...

The entire story is told in second person. A boy named Oliver gives a cookie to a mouse named Quinley.
The mouse asks for a glass of milk. He then requests a straw (to drink the milk), a mirror (to avoid a milk
mustache), nail scissors (to trim his hair in the mirror), and a broom (to sweep up his hair trimmings). Next
he wants to take a nap, have a story read to him, draw a picture, and hang the drawing on the refrigerator.
Looking at the refrigerator makes him thirsty, so the mouse asks for a glass of milk. The circle is complete
when he wants a cookie to go with it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_You_Give_a_Mouse_a_Cookie
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
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GlockNewb

Re: Compromise
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2022, 02:11:28 PM »
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powerlessbump

Re: Compromise
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2022, 02:14:51 PM »
Don't let the naysayers get you down. I'm always good for thought experiment. So here's my compromise;

Repeal the NFA

We can work on restoring the whole shall not be infringed thing afterwards.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Compromise
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2022, 11:54:46 PM »
Quote from: aieahound on June 09, 2022, 12:10:24 PM
I’m willing to compromise my 2A Right if it’s a compromise.

I agree with:

1. Universal Background Checks (even they don’t work no skin off our nose)
2. 21 age limit for buying guns.

OK with:
3. Cap on high capacity magazines over 30 rounds. (30 round is standard capacity.)

=

1. Constitutional carry
2. Legalize suppressors for hearing protection. (Public health issue.)
3. Pistol mag cap at 30 rounds.

Lot of talk on can’t give an inch. Giving is not compromise.
But compromise? I’m willing to give to get.

I would agree with universal background checks even for Private sales. It makes no sense to require background checks from only dealers. If you leave an avenue with somebody can purchase a firearm without a background check might as well not have any background checks so I would say require background checks for all sales. Not necessarily a check for each individual purchase but something like our rifle permits where the background check covers multiple purchases.

For magazines over 30 rounds I suppose that is something I could give up if we got something good in return. A 30 round magazine limit really wouldn't do much in terms of impeding our ability to protect ourselves from criminals or the government.

I would also be willing to give up private ownership of full auto firearms.

In return I would say concealed carry permit reciprocity on a nationwide level. Maybe getting rid of the requirement of barrel lengths on rifles. I might also ask for something to be enshrined that would protect current rights from future attack so as to reduce the chances of rights that keep getting rolled farther and farther back.

I can't see raising the age to 21, at least not unless you raise all other rights to that age as well. So you would need to raise the voting age to 21 as well to be consistent.

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Pancakes

Re: Compromise
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2022, 08:28:52 AM »
If they want to raise the minimum purchase age to 21 I am all for it, as long as they raise the voting age, age to join the military, enter into contracts etc to 21 as well. You’re either a legal adult or you’re not. It’s stupid for them to raise the age to purchase a rifle to 21 then get 18 year olds to join the military hand them fully automatic weapons and tell them to die for their country. You can’t have it both ways. We want to set an age for adulthood ok, but enforce it across the board on everything.
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hvybarrels

Re: Compromise
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2022, 09:02:59 AM »
Quote from: Pancakes on June 10, 2022, 08:28:52 AM
You can’t have it both ways.

Having it both ways sums up the Leftist agenda. Rules for everyone else.

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changemyoil66

Re: Compromise
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2022, 09:41:40 AM »
Quote from: eyeeatingfish on June 09, 2022, 11:54:46 PM
. I might also ask for something to be enshrined that would protect current rights from future attack so as to reduce the chances of rights that keep getting rolled farther and farther back.


This is the best statement.  But it's already is in place, it's just that politicians choose to ignore it. Cough cough, 2nd amendment, cough cough.
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Brystont1

Re: Compromise
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2022, 09:43:52 AM »
I don’t like universal background checks. Unless your ok with a nationwide registration system and letting a future tyrannical government know exactly where everyone’s firearms are. Universal checks are useless without registration to enforce.

Minus the background checks I’d take that deal in a heartbeat. Considering the 21 age limit was already ruled unconstitutional and mag bans will also probably be ruled unconstitutional if the SCOTUS takes up the California mag ban, we could be potentially get a ton of rights back. That’d be nice.
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changemyoil66

Re: Compromise
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2022, 09:57:24 AM »
Quote from: Brystont1 on June 10, 2022, 09:43:52 AM
I don’t like universal background checks. Unless your ok with a nationwide registration system and letting a future tyrannical government know exactly where everyone’s firearms are. Universal checks are useless without registration to enforce.

Minus the background checks I’d take that deal in a heartbeat. Considering the 21 age limit was already ruled unconstitutional and mag bans will also probably be ruled unconstitutional if the SCOTUS takes up the California mag ban, we could be potentially get a ton of rights back. That’d be nice.

And add in the years of paperwork that must be kept for records for any seller.  I mean it's already illegal to sell a gun to a prohibited person. So if I was doing a private sale (excluding HI), I would check the persons background.
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mrgaf

Re: Compromise
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2022, 12:24:50 PM »
Quote from: Pancakes on June 10, 2022, 08:28:52 AM
If they want to raise the minimum purchase age to 21 I am all for it, as long as they raise the voting age, age to join the military, enter into contracts etc to 21 as well. You’re either a legal adult or you’re not. It’s stupid for them to raise the age to purchase a rifle to 21 then get 18 year olds to join the military hand them fully automatic weapons and tell them to die for their country. You can’t have it both ways. We want to set an age for adulthood ok, but enforce it across the board on everything.

Amen to that! :thumbsup:
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oldfart

Re: Compromise
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2022, 01:35:19 PM »
Quote from: Pancakes on June 10, 2022, 08:28:52 AM
If they want to raise the minimum purchase age to 21 I am all for it, as long as they raise the voting age, age to join the military, enter into contracts etc to 21 as well. You’re either a legal adult or you’re not. It’s stupid for them to raise the age to purchase a rifle to 21 then get 18 year olds to join the military hand them fully automatic weapons and tell them to die for their country. You can’t have it both ways. We want to set an age for adulthood ok, but enforce it across the board on everything.
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That was the point of my pic in post #2

During the Vietnam War, we sent thousands of 18 yr. old kids over there with m-16's.
We still accept 18 yr old kids into the army and train them with m4's right?

I say raise the age, but ONLY if they keep it consistent with other "adult" rights.
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pacwire

Re: Compromise
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2022, 01:49:28 PM »
all

The subject of "compromise" is just that.

If we don't somewhere meet in the "middle" there is NO Compromise right?

It seems that what might come out is MAKING the States have the "laws". 

Oh Boy i can see Karl Rhodes having a "Field day" on this!

I would rather we have a "Federal Law" that overpowers any "local" state law.....

Happy Aloha Friday!

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Compromise
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2022, 01:56:33 PM »
Quote from: oldfart on June 10, 2022, 01:35:19 PM
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That was the point of my pic in post #2

During the Vietnam War, we sent thousands of 18 yr. old kids over there with m-16's.
We still accept 18 yr old kids into the army and train them with m4's right?

I say raise the age, but ONLY if they keep it consistent with other "adult" rights.

Yet, Pelosi and other Dems want to LOWER the voting age to 16 -- more young skulls full of mush to trick into following the Liberal utopian ideals.

Funny how the arbitrary "age of majority" changes depending on the political winds being followed.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

robtmc

Re: Compromise
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2022, 03:48:22 PM »
Quote from: oldfart on June 10, 2022, 01:35:19 PM
During the Vietnam War, we sent thousands of 18 yr. old kids over there with m-16's.
We still accept 18 yr old kids into the army and train them with m4's right?

I say raise the age, but ONLY if they keep it consistent with other "adult" rights.
The R A Heinlein idea:  Voting/firearm posession/etc only if service in the military.
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groveler

Re: Compromise
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2022, 04:17:14 PM »
Quote from: oldfart on June 10, 2022, 01:35:19 PM
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That was the point of my pic in post #2

During the Vietnam War, we sent thousands of 18 yr. old kids over there with m-16's.
We still accept 18 yr old kids into the army and train them with m4's right?

I say raise the age, but ONLY if they keep it consistent with other "adult" rights.
I went into the military at age 17.
I did USAF so I only had to crawl around nuclear weapons at age 18.
I did have an M16 assigned to me but kept in the armory.
I was on world mobility status.
Strategic Air Command stuff.
I've purchased and owned guns since age 12.
Drank a lot of beer at that age.
Politicians are trying to solve a social problem with laws that can't and won't work.
Age limits aren't the answer.  A solid family is.
Promote families, moms and dads.  That is the best way to raise kids.
Single mom's with Government daddies is FAILURE!
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