So does anyone know what HPD/ Sheriffs pistol qual standards are?

Rumors are that will be the standard for CC permit possibly.

So does anyone know what HPD/ Sheriffs pistol qual standards are?

Rumors are that will be the standard for CC permit possibly.

Yes…their quals are shoot 50 rounds at 20’ and you must get two hits anywhere on the target.

So does anyone know what HPD/ Sheriffs pistol qual standards are?

Rumors are that will be the standard for CC permit possibly.

If they do that, they also need to make all officers' training scores publicly available, so we can see that they are able to meet their own standards.  Otherwise, they'll fail "civilians" while using different scores for officers.

Hmm some one watched this morning News!

Anyway, at this point, why worry? 

1) Hawaii AG hasn't come out with their "process".. (Was AMAZED to see Rob Bonta in California send out a notice)
2) It seems the Gun Haters wants the legislature to pass new laws that will make the LIST of requirements very ? ( I can see Chris Lee and Karl Rhodes working on this as we speak)

II too was thinking of filling out the form and standing in line to submit.  But didn't want to waste time and just possibly be "rejected"

I think i will just wait till "X"..Hopefully it's in my lifetime....

Just my 2 cents!

Aloha!

FBI qual. 
https://applied-ballistics.com/the-fbi-qualification-course/

LE firearms qualifications are usually fairly easy, cause they don't want recruits to fail after all the money and time they pour into them.  Most people that take a live-fire CCW course could pass the FBI test

Yes…their quals are shoot 50 rounds at 20’ and you must get two hits anywhere on the target.

2 out of 50 rounds on target?
that seems fairly easy.  unless the target is 1"

FBI qual. 
https://applied-ballistics.com/the-fbi-qualification-course/

LE firearms qualifications are usually fairly easy, cause they don't want recruits to fail after all the money and time they pour into them.  Most people that take a live-fire CCW course could pass the FBI test

The Air Force had 2 levels of proficiency when I needed to qualify.

Small Arms qual required 30 rds, max score of 300 if you land 30 in the center ring.

1.  Meet the minimum standard.  That number was 60%, if I remember right.  Might be 70%, but either way was low.  That's either a 180 or 210 out of 300 max.  210 can be reached by hitting the 7 ring with all 30 rds -- or getting an average of 7 points per rd.

2.  Expert: Small Arms -- a ribbon you're awarded for getting a higher score.  I believe it was in the 280 or 290 vicinity. 

I scored "expert" the first time I shot during college AFROTC training.   No firearms training was provided other than 30 rds of "practice" before 30 rds for the test.

I re-qualified annually while on Mobility Status as "expert", too.



In Nevada, the CCW test required 35 rds fired:

You must score 70% at the following distances from the target...

A total of 30 rounds for 6 shot or larger capacity and 25 rounds for 5 shot capacity must be fired. Firearms with less than a 5 shot capacity will have to be reloaded at each stage to comply with the 5 shot capacity standards.

A minimum score of 70% is required to pass, and shall be indicated on the certificate as “Pass/Fail” only.
- 3 yards 6 rounds No time limit
- 5 yards 12 rounds No time limit 
- 7 yards 12 rounds No time limit

Notice you only have to hit the target -- not get any certain score.     Also, to make the 70%, you only need to hit the target 21 out of 30 times.  We're talking a humanoid target at 3, 5 and 7 yards -- not 25 yds ala KHSC.

So, yeah.  My experience is the tests are similar to those given for a state driver's license.  They are all geared toward the bare minimum needed to show proficiency.  If you can load, unload, operate and generally aim your firearm, that's mainly what the test requires.

In addition, NV also required 8 hours of classroom education (laws, and so on) with a written test also requires a 70% score to pass.

EDIT:
Looked up the Air Force Small Arms Marksmanship ribbon requirements.  They have 1 standard for pistols and 1 for rifles -- M-16/M4.  For pistols:

Qualification as expert with the pistol (M-9/M-11) requires 41 hits out of 45 rounds on target,
with at least 25 hits within a 10-inch circle on the torso of the target and six hits within a
six-inch circle on the head of the target.

Last time I qualified, I had to use the Military .38SP revolver.   

FBI qual. 
https://applied-ballistics.com/the-fbi-qualification-course/

LE firearms qualifications are usually fairly easy, cause they don't want recruits to fail after all the money and time they pour into them.  Most people that take a live-fire CCW course could pass the FBI test

My last USAF duty station I was on "world wide mobility status"  So I had to qualify albeit with a rifle yearly.
The only test available  was the USAF Security police qualification exam.
Which I passed ( over 90% IIRC) with no PRIOR security police range training.  Very similar to the FBI test, but I think we had to be a little faster.
(After all we are operating in a war zone if someone in my skill code was shooting at people),
And I was moving an M16 right to left handed and back
My point is anybody that is reasonably familiar and competent with their gun, these tests for cops are pretty easy.
I do reject them as a necessary step ( ie. expensive, difficult to accomplish) in order to exercise your rights.
I'm sure the slimy bastards are conjuring up some real difficult hoops to jump through.
As an example there are no "official" public pistol or rifle ranges on the Big Island. I kind of suspect that is the same for all the outer islands.
Hard to get range qualified here.
Can't use the police "range" as it is private property and the owners are being polite.
All the cops here do is shoot up a Puu.
We'll see what happens.
 

For NV, you also have to take the course from an approved instructor list that's on the Metro PD website. There are like 100 instructors on there.  So they make it very easy. I can see HI not doing this. Like how the Maui taser sellers had to fly to Oahu to take a class from a guy who took the same class that they took (mainland Taser Company  institutor also taught on Maui). The Maui class by the Taser Company instructor wasn't good enough. It had to be done by the Oahu student of Taser Company instruction who is now teaching classes.

My friend's coworker on the BI has concealed carry a 9MM for the past 13 years. Never got caught yet and never had to draw it out yet either.  He believes in the old adage about 12 and 6.

Yes…their quals are shoot 50 rounds at 20’ and you must get two hits anywhere on the target.

Wait!?, They have to HIT the target?

I'm feeling better now.  I think I can pass.......

I like the qualifications be hard so that most cops no can pass.   

Miculek type hard, 2 shots each in 3 targets at 7 yards in 1 second. LOL.

We should be very wary on "compromising" on the requirements for the CCW.  There should be no requirements other than what it already required to get a license to obtain a firearm.  As you know, anti-gunners, will put a foot into the door and over the years they will eventually get their wish, no one gets a CCW and no one gets guns.  Think about it, if you can't aim, shoot, and hit the target outside the home, what makes you think you can aim, shoot, and hit the target during a home invasion.  The "qualification" will become the new standard to obtain a gun and you can't practice because you don't have a license.  Also, what will the "qualification" cost and how often will you need to pass.  i.e. every year, every two years, etc.

My friend's coworker on the BI has concealed carry a 9MM for the past 13 years. Never got caught yet and never had to draw it out yet either.  He believes in the old adage about 12 and 6.

I'm pretty sure I've brought this up before.  Honolulu ha no idea how many people have guns here in Hawaii.
Where they are at and how they are used.

Cops know.  Ever wonder why on the BI if there is a traffic stop, Cop stays in his car, orders you to stay in your car,  till he has back up?
There is some variation of the timing of things.  And is dependent on  the cops "rookie" status.
Wild west here.
 

Cops know.  Ever wonder why on the BI if there is a traffic stop, Cop stays in his car, orders you to stay in your car,  till he has back up?
There is some variation of the timing of things.  And is dependent on  the cops "rookie" status.
Wild west here.
 

Oh I know. Cops NEVER come into my subdivision alone. Always 2 or 3. When I lived in Kailua Oahu, almost always only a single cop would come on a call for something like a suspicious person or vehicle, noise complaint etc.  Not here. That is why it takes so long for them to show up. Gotta wait till 2 cops are available, that often takes an hour or two.

The law doesn’t state anything about pistol quals for CCW. Just states training in safe firearms handling. I don’t think they are supposed to be coming up with any old “requirements”

The requirements for carry is different from permit to acquire due to this being in the law HRS 134-9:
Be qualified to use the firearm in a safe manner;

To be qualified usually means testing or evaluation, either through a stand alone test or passing a course or meet a standard. It's vague on what type of qualification is required.  HRS 134-2 states the exact course or what needs to be covered in a course for a permit to acquire.

The requirements for carry is different from permit to acquire due to this being in the law HRS 134-9:
Be qualified to use the firearm in a safe manner;

To be qualified usually means testing or evaluation, either through a stand alone test or passing a course or meet a standard. It's vague on what type of qualification is required.  HRS 134-2 states the exact course or what needs to be covered in a course for a permit to acquire.

I see. If they are going to make us jump through hoops, this is probably a start of what the hoops will look like.

https://ag.hawaii.gov/cjd/law-enforcement-index-page/

Very burdensome, and why many retired LEO can’t/won’t carry

Range qual

https://ag.hawaii.gov/cjd/files/2014/11/LEOSA-Interim-Management-Regulation-102814.pdf