Reloading is quick, however…

One thing with moon clips, if they get bent a little, it can jam up the cylinder and lock up the gun.
Not sure if certain ones are better than others.    With my experience with them, in a Colt 1917 .45acp, I have to handle them with kid gloves. This is with both half and full moon clips.  They tend to get bent out of flatness very easily.

Thanks for the input.  Never realized the clips are so flimsy that they will bend out of flatness.  I viewed some YT videos that addressed the problem of the clips never retaining the round very well.  They would fall out when you handle the clip.  So they showed how to tweak the clips so the rounds wouldn't fall out.  And then they showed some aftermarket clips that looked beefier and more sturdy.

The speed of reloading with clips is what attracted me to consider a snub 9mm revolver.  Still looking for a gun that will go bang when you want it to go bang.

In the General Discussions thread I shared about my P365 not firing because there was too much lube/solvent clogging the striker channel.  At least this is what SIG said when I sent it back.  My confidence is shaken with the gun, especially when I personally feel I didn't over lube it like SIG claimed.

I think I will still buy a 9mm revolver if I get the chance.  I'll look at aftermarket clips also and if they perform well in the gun I will buy a million of them.

I’ve shot an Airweight  S&W in .38. It’s absolutely punishing with .38spl +P.   Lol

Under 1# loaded

Thanks for the input.  Never realized the clips are so flimsy that they will bend out of flatness.  I viewed some YT videos that addressed the problem of the clips never retaining the round very well.  They would fall out when you handle the clip.  So they showed how to tweak the clips so the rounds wouldn't fall out.  And then they showed some aftermarket clips that looked beefier and more sturdy.

The speed of reloading with clips is what attracted me to consider a snub 9mm revolver.  Still looking for a gun that will go bang when you want it to go bang.

In the General Discussions thread I shared about my P365 not firing because there was too much lube/solvent clogging the striker channel.  At least this is what SIG said when I sent it back.  My confidence is shaken with the gun, especially when I personally feel I didn't over lube it like SIG claimed.

I think I will still buy a 9mm revolver if I get the chance.  I'll look at aftermarket clips also and if they perform well in the gun I will buy a million of them.

"especially when I personally feel I didn't over lube it like SIG claimed."  This statement should be "especially when I never lubed the channel". 

Learning points: I haven't shot Mrs. CMO's P365XL since we will be function checking it and zero (RDS) in Vegas soon.  Since reading your post, I also cleaned the channel.  The cloth was slightly black, but no grease in there.  She will still carry it because how often does an out of the box gun not go bang?  Ranges up there closed on Thanksgiving (when we land), so won't be able to test until Black Friday.  Even if gun doesn't go bang, bang, bang (rapid fire), she knows how to malfunction clear and at worst a round or a few will be able to be shot b4 a jam.

Regarding the revolver, they make flat clips that hold the rounds in a row instead of a circle (cylinder).  Pro is that you can easily fit this in a pocket since it's flat compared to a speed loader type (great for inside a pants pocket).  Con is it takes much longer to reload compared to a speed loader. 

IMO a revolver (snub nose) is a boot gun (back up) for the following reasons:

1) Lack of capacity, on average 5-6 rounds. Compared to a 10rd (HI law) mag.
2) Reloading takes much longer for an average person.
3) Recoil management for rapid fire shots is harder
4) Accuracy at more than 15 yards comes into play for the average person
5) Lack of attachments (WML, RDS, etc...)
6) Speed loader is much bulkier than a magazine

The real pro's are as follows:

1) No worry about being out of battery for CQB (end of barrel pressed against something)
2) Jamming is greatly reduced (most likely would affect pocket carry.  When shooting from inside your jacket pocket)

In the end, the pro's don't outweigh the cons.

"especially when I personally feel I didn't over lube it like SIG claimed."  This statement should be "especially when I never lubed the channel". 

Learning points: I haven't shot Mrs. CMO's P365XL since we will be function checking it and zero (RDS) in Vegas soon.  Since reading your post, I also cleaned the channel.  The cloth was slightly black, but no grease in there.  She will still carry it because how often does an out of the box gun not go bang?  Ranges up there closed on Thanksgiving (when we land), so won't be able to test until Black Friday.  Even if gun doesn't go bang, bang, bang (rapid fire), she knows how to malfunction clear and at worst a round or a few will be able to be shot b4 a jam.

Regarding the revolver, they make flat clips that hold the rounds in a row instead of a circle (cylinder).  Pro is that you can easily fit this in a pocket since it's flat compared to a speed loader type (great for inside a pants pocket).  Con is it takes much longer to reload compared to a speed loader. 

IMO a revolver (snub nose) is a boot gun (back up) for the following reasons:

1) Lack of capacity, on average 5-6 rounds. Compared to a 10rd (HI law) mag.
2) Reloading takes much longer for an average person.
3) Recoil management for rapid fire shots is harder
4) Accuracy at more than 15 yards comes into play for the average person
5) Lack of attachments (WML, RDS, etc...)
6) Speed loader is much bulkier than a magazine

The real pro's are as follows:

1) No worry about being out of battery for CQB (end of barrel pressed against something)
2) Jamming is greatly reduced (most likely would affect pocket carry.  When shooting from inside your jacket pocket)

In the end, the pro's don't outweigh the cons.

Thanks for your input.  I agree about the pros and cons.  I might still buy it though.  As far as my P365, although I'm a bit shaken that it didn't go bang, I will learn to disassemble the striker assembly and dry out the chamber and striker periodically.  This is the only way I can start feeling confident with the gun again.

I do love the gun.  I like how it feels in my (rather large for my size) hands and it's potential concealability.   

Thanks for your input.  I agree about the pros and cons.  I might still buy it though.  As far as my P365, although I'm a bit shaken that it didn't go bang, I will learn to disassemble the striker assembly and dry out the chamber and striker periodically.  This is the only way I can start feeling confident with the gun again.

I do love the gun.  I like how it feels in my (rather large for my size) hands and it's potential concealability.   

You should think about how many rds u need to fire b4 u feel confident in it.

To help, many others carry this with confidence. Its not like its a no name model or has such a small following that the lack of users doesnt give confidence.

Example, i got a box of critical duty 45 HP's. 2 rds in the box of 20 didnt feed. I chose another HP brands that has zero FTF (feed) or any other jamming since the options are plentafull.

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Other pros for a revolver:
Reliability. You wont have any ftf or fte or magazine issues bc there is no mag
Simplicity
Light primer strike or doesnt go bang, no need to tap or rack. Just pull the trigger again and the cylinder rotates to the next round. thats faster.
Shooting at a longer distance, I can shoot my 3" GP100 more accurately than my 3" semiautos. At a distance, go to SA and the trigger is 1-2 lbs short and crisp. Hard to beat a SA trigger

Downside is capacity. But most personal defense scenarios against 1 attacker, you will only fire 1 or 2 rounds at close quarters. Especially if you're using 357 magnum, that's all you will need. 

If I were out and about in places like waikiki or a mall or someplace where a mass shooting might happen, I would like to have higher capacity like in a semiauto 9mm

Other pros for a revolver:
Reliability. You wont have any ftf or fte or magazine issues bc there is no mag
Simplicity
Light primer strike or doesnt go bang, no need to tap or rack. Just pull the trigger again and the cylinder rotates to the next round. thats faster.
Shooting at a longer distance, I can shoot my 3" GP100 more accurately than my 3" semiautos. At a distance, go to SA and the trigger is 1-2 lbs short and crisp. Hard to beat a SA trigger

Downside is capacity. But most personal defense scenarios against 1 attacker, you will only fire 1 or 2 rounds at close quarters. Especially if you're using 357 magnum, that's all you will need. 

If I were out and about in places like waikiki or a mall or someplace where a mass shooting might happen, I would like to have higher capacity like in a semiauto 9mm

Some CCW holders also see themselves as sheepdogs.  But I don't plan to be one unless I absolutely have to.  My thinking and protective stance is strictly self defense of myself and loved ones.

So I tend to lean towards revolvers despite their limited round capacity.  And even then, if I can withdraw from the confrontation or situation all the better.  No need to draw the gun and no need for anyone to even know how close they were to getting shot.

But the P365 is a gem.  Small, compact, highly concealable yet with a high round capacity relative to it's size.

I think having a compact 9mm revolver along with a P365 will make me happy as far as having SD guns on hand.

I still want to buy a full size auto pistol for range fun.  But that's for another thread discussion.

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I still want to buy a full size auto pistol for range fun.  But that's for another thread discussion.

That's a good topic.  Start a thread.  It's a topic that has been discussed in the past, but A) important to share your interests and perspective/context and B) probably lots of new(er) shooters wondering the same thing.  Especially without range days to get out there and try. 

Shooting at a longer distance, I can shoot my 3" GP100 more accurately than my 3" semiautos. At a distance, go to SA and the trigger is 1-2 lbs short and crisp. Hard to beat a SA trigger

What about rapid fire at 10-15 yards or so?  No time to cock the hammer.

Some CCW holders also see themselves as sheepdogs.  But I don't plan to be one unless I absolutely have to.  My thinking and protective stance is strictly self defense of myself and loved ones.

So I tend to lean towards revolvers despite their limited round capacity.  And even then, if I can withdraw from the confrontation or situation all the better.  No need to draw the gun and no need for anyone to even know how close they were to getting shot.

But the P365 is a gem.  Small, compact, highly concealable yet with a high round capacity relative to it's size.

I think having a compact 9mm revolver along with a P365 will make me happy as far as having SD guns on hand.

I still want to buy a full size auto pistol for range fun.  But that's for another thread discussion.

I would do a test of rapid firing a revolver at 10 yards vs a semi auto pistol.  Then compare the grouping/hits and speed between shots.

What about rapid fire at 10-15 yards or so?  No time to cock the hammer.

DA. . .

DA. . .

Which means more force is needed to pull the trigger, so more movement of the gun and slower compared to a semi auto.

Which means more force is needed to pull the trigger, so more movement of the gun and slower compared to a semi auto.

go check out competitions when the revolver guys shoot. . .

6 shots of 44magnum in 1 second
Of course Jerry Miculek is a little better than your average shooter
But I do agree that a semiauto would be faster shooting and reloading is faster in the semiauto. But you can still be pretty quick with a revolver. Probably not as quick as Jerry Miculek

6 shots of 44magnum in 1 second
Of course Jerry Miculek is a little better than your average shooter
But I do agree that a semiauto would be faster shooting and reloading is faster in the semiauto. But you can still be pretty quick with a revolver. Probably not as quick as Jerry Miculek

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That was what I was getting at.  That and some would be surprised at the rate of fire for those who practice/train with revolvers. 

That was what I was getting at.  That and some would be surprised at the rate of fire for those who practice/train with revolvers.

The point would be a normal person wouldn't be able to do that and get accurate hits. Compared to any semi auto pistol (exclude DEagle).

The point would be a normal person wouldn't be able to do that and get accurate hits. Compared to any semi auto pistol (exclude DEagle).

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The point would be a normal person wouldn't be able to do that and get accurate hits. Compared to any semi auto pistol (exclude DEagle).

With about the same amount of practice (dry/live) as it takes to get accurate hits with a semi auto, any “normal” person could manage it. 

It’s not that difficult

I don't doubt that a snub revolver is difficult to shoot accurately.  And DA only mode makes it harder.  But it's a "get off me" gun.  Close quarters.  Last resort.

I think if we train for the scenario you bought the gun for, we should be ok.

A person who aspires to be a sheepdog would not get a snub revolver for example.

I don't doubt that a snub revolver is difficult to shoot accurately.  And DA only mode makes it harder.  But it's a "get off me" gun.  Close quarters.  Last resort.

I think if we train for the scenario you bought the gun for, we should be ok.

A person who aspires to be a sheepdog would not get a snub revolver for example.

So the new rules for the Chief state you cannot carry more than 1 gun.  So no boot gun snub nose.