Young V Hawaii (Read 2911 times)

Waverider82

Young V Hawaii
« on: June 30, 2022, 06:16:23 AM »
Young v. Hawaii (Hawaii may-issue) has been vacated and remanded to the ninth circuit court of appeals.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/063022zor_5he6.pdf

changemyoil66

Re: Young V Hawaii
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2022, 08:43:12 AM »
There is really no time frame for the 9th to make a ruling. HI could change the law prior to this, which would make Young vs. HI lawsuit moot. They did this with Roberts vs. Ballard (Tasers).

groveler

Re: Young V Hawaii
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2022, 09:47:02 AM »
There is really no time frame for the 9th to make a ruling. HI could change the law prior to this, which would make Young vs. HI lawsuit moot. They did this with Roberts vs. Ballard (Tasers).
I appreciate that our courts are very methodical and slow.
But what good is justice when the plaintiff is dead and gone?
That is a tactic. Go very slow so nothing gets done.
Unless it is what you want done.
The decision on concealed carry in New York affected the entire country.
Young V Hawaii is just one itty, bitty county in a small state.
Our victimization at the hand of a few Democrats means nothing in the bigger picture.
Arm yourselves accordingly as you see fit, and as you can.
 :grrr:

eyeeatingfish

Re: Young V Hawaii
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2022, 09:39:14 PM »
There is really no time frame for the 9th to make a ruling. HI could change the law prior to this, which would make Young vs. HI lawsuit moot. They did this with Roberts vs. Ballard (Tasers).

I am assuming that the answer to my questions is based on "reasonableness" but I am wondering how long they could draw this out.

The case gets remanded back to the 9th circuit so they can redo their decision based on the decision of the other case. So they have to rethink their decision and rewrite it. I understand that would take some time and that there may be some nuance to their decision which the chief's of police will need to then base their policies on but how long can they do that? If they only took a couple months I wouldn't complain but it better not take years. Would we sue if they took unnecessarily long to hand down their decision?

RSN172

Re: Young V Hawaii
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2022, 11:41:37 PM »
I am assuming that the answer to my questions is based on "reasonableness" but I am wondering how long they could draw this out.

The case gets remanded back to the 9th circuit so they can redo their decision based on the decision of the other case. So they have to rethink their decision and rewrite it. I understand that would take some time and that there may be some nuance to their decision which the chief's of police will need to then base their policies on but how long can they do that? If they only took a couple months I wouldn't complain but it better not take years. Would we sue if they took unnecessarily long to hand down their decision?

This is why I was disappointed with what Thomas wrote concerning the NY case. I was hoping for National constitutional carry.  What we got instead is you will get it eventually, but not anytime soon.
Happily living in Puna

zippz

Re: Young V Hawaii
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2022, 12:19:41 AM »
This is why I was disappointed with what Thomas wrote concerning the NY case. I was hoping for National constitutional carry.  What we got instead is you will get it eventually, but not anytime soon.

It was expected as the court can only rule on the questions brought up in the case, which was to be approved for carry permits.  Constitutional carry was not part of the lawsuit.

I'm sure it'll be brought up in a future lawsuit and win due to text, histroy, tradition analysis.  However it will take years making it's way through the court system and I'm not sure if SCOTUS will take it anytime soon.  Maybe in another 10 years?

groveler

Re: Young V Hawaii
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2022, 03:39:34 AM »
I am assuming that the answer to my questions is based on "reasonableness" but I am wondering how long they could draw this out.

The case gets remanded back to the 9th circuit so they can redo their decision based on the decision of the other case. So they have to rethink their decision and rewrite it. I understand that would take some time and that there may be some nuance to their decision which the chief's of police will need to then base their policies on but how long can they do that? If they only took a couple months I wouldn't complain but it better not take years. Would we sue if they took unnecessarily long to hand down their decision?
My plan is this;
Historically it takes my HPD critter two months to reject my CCW request.
So.
I'll file and give my complaint to the police commisssion.
They will take a month or two to say their cop is within his duties.
I will then contact the US attorney for a 18 US code 242 violation and file a lawsuit for several millions dollars
of compensation for violation of my civil rights.
using the SCOTUS review as a basis.
I have a criminal defense lawyer on speed dial.
I guess I'll have to find a good civil rights lawyer also.
 :popcorn:

2ahavvaii

Re: Young V Hawaii
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2022, 02:37:37 AM »
My plan is this;
Historically it takes my HPD critter two months to reject my CCW request.
So.
I'll file and give my complaint to the police commisssion.
They will take a month or two to say their cop is within his duties.
I will then contact the US attorney for a 18 US code 242 violation and file a lawsuit for several millions dollars
of compensation for violation of my civil rights.
using the SCOTUS review as a basis.
I have a criminal defense lawyer on speed dial.
I guess I'll have to find a good civil rights lawyer also.
 :popcorn:

That is the appropriate response to numbskulls that think ignoring the supreme court decision entirely is an option.  You'll have an army of law abiding citizens lining up for millions in cash for violating their civil rights.