In Hawaii, the Demokrat regime has ruled for so long that all government officials, no matter what autonomy they hold over their departments and authorizations to impose directives, have been conditioned to always check with their boss.

The county chiefs are afraid of stepping on the toes that put them in their position.  So therefore they will check with them first to make sure it's "ok".

Th Constitution of the United States is not as powerful as their bosses, in their sad, demokrat brainwashed minds.

You spelled democrap wrong

Food for thought.

Washington State (Democrat controlled) has over 7.7 mil population. Their current active CPL holders number 655,000. If my calculation is right, that is 8.5 percent of their population. In the month of June, they added over 11,000 new active CPLs. I laugh at our currently paltry 150 CCW applicants. Hawaii's population is nearly 1.5 million. If just 5 percent apply, we are talking about 75 thousand applicants. How will our police departments handle this? I just wanted to apply before the frenzy.  However I do realize our leaders will try to slow roll this out and put as many requirements as possible. I'm thinking more training, interview, more fees, etc. Hopefully our CCW will eventually be renewable every 5 years like Washington State. If Hawaii sticks with annual renewal, it will be painful for HPD personnel and for us.

Food for thought.

Washington State (Democrat controlled) has over 7.7 mil population. Their current active CPL holders number 655,000. If my calculation is right, that is 8.5 percent of their population. In the month of June, they added over 11,000 new active CPLs. I laugh at our currently paltry 150 CCW applicants. Hawaii's population is nearly 1.5 million. If just 5 percent apply, we are talking about 75 thousand applicants. How will our police departments handle this? I just wanted to apply before the frenzy.  However I do realize our leaders will try to slow roll this out and put as many requirements as possible. I'm thinking more training, interview, more fees, etc. Hopefully our CCW will eventually be renewable every 5 years like Washington State. If Hawaii sticks with annual renewal, it will be painful for HPD personnel and for us.

Imagine the bassackwards policy making permits a hassle for us and their own people just to try to keep us down. Too bad it won’t work. Need to be like Florida; license expires after 7 years without renewal

Food for thought.

 I laugh at our currently paltry 150 CCW applicants. Hawaii's population is nearly 1.5 million. If just 5 percent apply, we are talking about 75 thousand applicants. How will our police departments handle this? I just wanted to apply before the frenzy.  However I do realize our leaders will try to slow roll this out and put as many requirements as possible. I'm thinking more training, interview, more fees, etc. Hopefully our CCW will eventually be renewable every 5 years like Washington State. If Hawaii sticks with annual renewal, it will be painful for HPD personnel and for us.

I'm in a dilemma.  Should I apply now or wait.  It's possible those who applied already will be asked to reapply again after they impose "new" restrictions?  Or will I encounter more bullsh*t by waiting?

I wonder if the majority of potential CCW applicants are waiting until HPD dots their I's and crosses their T's before applying.

I'm in a dilemma.  Should I apply now or wait.  It's possible those who applied already will be asked to reapply again after they impose "new" restrictions?  Or will I encounter more bullsh*t by waiting?

I wonder if the majority of potential CCW applicants are waiting until HPD dots their I's and crosses their T's before applying.

Personal choice really. If you have the time and gas to take a trip to town, go for it. If you don’t wanna just waste the time or gas, I’d say wait, but just realize it’s a 50/50… 50% chance you apply and they approve and issue soon, 50% you wait to apply then restrictions are set in and the process just becomes more tedious if not harder. Granted I applied on the first day after SCOTUS ruling but I’d personally rather just apply again since the Chief mentioned just filling out the new form(s) and then attaching those to your old packet. Obviously we have no definitive answers as of yet, but just my opinion

I'm in a dilemma.  Should I apply now or wait.  It's possible those who applied already will be asked to reapply again after they impose "new" restrictions?  Or will I encounter more bullsh*t by waiting?

I wonder if the majority of potential CCW applicants are waiting until HPD dots their I's and crosses their T's before applying.

Many are waiting. But 1 thought comes to mind, that HPD should not add more stuff to those who already submitted per as the law is currently written.  We know they or lawmakers will add more stuff later, but for now the hope is those who submitted are already grandfathered in. Logan on the radio said maybe an online form these people may have to complete before he signs apps at the end of august at the latest.  But we all know HI lawmkers and how they work.

I also know some who are holding off because being denied in 1 state may affect their CCW in another.

I would say apply ASAP if the above doesn't apply to you. The more we get to apply, the harder it will be for them to tell hundreds of people to redo. It will place a burden on HPD. Right now at least 140 have applied.  And apply for each gun that you may CCW.

I was really hoping to not incur an additional 40 plus dollars on the "rapback" fee.for my gf since we were not applying for a pistol or rifle permit that day. Just the CCW. Also, no heads up on their website nor signs posted, while waiting in line, requiring us to fill out the Permit to Aquire application and the two medical forms (thereby forcing us to pay the rapback boondoggle while only starting to fill out the PTA app and med forms when we get to the counter). Lines would move faster if people were better informed.by HPD. I guess this is by design. I hate wasting my time and my dwindling resources.

Im literally at HPD as I write this.

I just spoke to the sergeant for the Firearms Department informed him that they cannot enroll people or charge people for rapback when applying for a concealed carry license.

Who can be enrolled in rapback except by state law, it does not include those applying for concealed carry. The fee that can be charged for concealed carry is set in law it is $10, there is no option for them to charge the additional fee for the application.

They will kick it upstairs, I will not be back to HPD until Tuesday and told him I expect an answer as to what they’re gonna do then.

Thank you for the followup London808. Might be too late for my gf but if they charged and fingerprinted in error, hopefully we get our rapback fee back!  Please keep us posted.

Btw, We did not pay the $10 x 2  CCW fee nor were we asked to pay it.

I also know some who are holding off because being denied in 1 state may affect their CCW in another.

How would one state find out that you were denied a ccw in another state?  Is there a "rapback" version of ccw permit info shared by states?

How would one state find out that you were denied a ccw in another state?  Is there a "rapback" version of ccw permit info shared by states?

They ask you on the form and if you lie it’s a felony (usually)

They ask you on the form and if you lie it’s a felony (usually)

I did not know they asked you that question on mainland CCW application forms since nothing like that was asked on our Hawaii CCW application form (Have you ever been denied a ccw permit previously in any state?). Good to know.

I would say apply ASAP if the above doesn't apply to you. The more we get to apply, the harder it will be for them to tell hundreds of people to redo. It will place a burden on HPD. Right now at least 140 have applied.  And apply for each gun that you may CCW.

Thanks!  Will definitely consider this.

I did not know they asked you that question on mainland CCW application forms since nothing like that was asked on our Hawaii CCW application form (Have you ever been denied a ccw permit previously in any state?). Good to know.

Each state is diff. NV didn't ask.

Sounds like it will delay or cause potential issues on your CCW in another state, if you were previously denied from a "may issue" state (like Hawaii & Cali) since since most if not all were denied regardless of having no criminal record.

I did not know they asked you that question on mainland CCW application forms since nothing like that was asked on our Hawaii CCW application form (Have you ever been denied a ccw permit previously in any state?). Good to know.

Problem here is that nobody knows what CCW laws and rules are and what is/ should/ shouldn’t be on the forms because nobody here is really used to carrying outside of their jobs which is generally open carry

If you do not disclose that you’ve been denied a permit to carry, they will find out more than likely

Thank you for the followup London808. Might be too late for my gf but if they charged and fingerprinted in error, hopefully we get our rapback fee back!  Please keep us posted.

Btw, We did not pay the $10 x 2  CCW fee nor were we asked to pay it.

It was briefly mentioned in this thread the other day. It's due when they issue the permit

It was briefly mentioned in this thread the other day. It's due when they issue the permit

Thanks! I forgot about having read that. I just hope it doesn't end up to be much more by the time our CCWs are approved.

I'm in a dilemma.  Should I apply now or wait.  It's possible those who applied already will be asked to reapply again after they impose "new" restrictions?  Or will I encounter more bullsh*t by waiting?

I wonder if the majority of potential CCW applicants are waiting until HPD dots their I's and crosses their T's before applying.

They already have a “process” in place. They are blatantly opposing the SCOTUS ruling, and the State AG’s opinion on the matter is clear.
This is denial of everyone’s civil rights.


Just put in an application, on the principle of the matter.

IMO

Next legislative session is going to be blood boiling to watch.
Elections matter, this is one that matters a lot for us 2a people.

Thank you for the followup London808. Might be too late for my gf but if they charged and fingerprinted in error, hopefully we get our rapback fee back!  Please keep us posted.

Btw, We did not pay the $10 x 2  CCW fee nor were we asked to pay it.

The $10 fee is due at time of permit pickup

The $10 fee is due at time of permit pickup

Roger that.  I forgot and got confused.

I remember hearing some of the mainland ccw permit applications required the fee up front.  They would go to their scheduled appointment, submit the completed app, get fingerprinted and pay $50 or whatever the fee happens to be up front.