If they add live fire training and qualification it should be free like Hunters Ed.
It’s a Right for nuts sake.
I don’t really object to it though IF they offer it for free.
(Note : All permits applied for before Legislative session granted.)
I seen knuckleheads at the range I definitely do not want carrying. 
But if Shi+ went down in the mall, I’d be praying someone with little bit of skill was carrying.

Realistically, we’re gonna eat whatever shit pudding they’re serving in this State regarding firearms.
Hope at least it’s free because it’s a Right. (Except the $43.95 for non-existent RapBack which everyone’s willfully been paying.)

From what the Chief said a few weeks ago, NRA instructors would conduct the training and determine what the qual is. Which means they will charge for their time and efforts, which is understandable. Of course, this is just what he said and not what may be done.

I highly doubt HPD or like agency will do this.

LOL! You can't make this sh*t up.

I called HPD (as in HawaiiPD) to find out why they haven't honored their "30 days until new application" statement, and of course Captain Saladeras (sp?) didn't answer, so I left a message. Last time it took him 8 days to return my call. And then he knew nothing at all about when the applications would be available, nor who else I might talk to to find out what was going on and why the delay.

Then I called the mayor's office (9:30 AM, August 23, 2022) to find out if someone there knew what was going on or if they knew of someone I could talk to who knew what was going on. I got a recorded message saying they would be closed on August 19, but that they would return my call when they got back in the office on the 22nd. Is it any wonder why this place is the sh*thole it is?

**** Edited to add: Decided to call the Prosecuting Attorneys office to see if they could direct me to someone knowledgeable, as the notice on the HPD website says the applications/criteria are being formulated with "county attorneys". Got transferred to secretary of head prosecuting attorney Weltjen... left a message. smh.

I applied today. I asked if they had gotten lots of applications, and the guy said no. Then he went on to say they’re not allowed to say it’s a waste of time before explaining to me it’s a waste of time. Lol so I’m not going to get my hopes up too high 🙄

Had two friends who went to the west side separately yesterday both report back that the vibe over there is gnarly. People look devastated and angry. They are shooting guns in the back hills to scare away robbers because the economic hardship is making violent crime an every day reality, plus I”m sure they have noticed how many people got permanently disabled or died from the mRNA shots and are furious that nobody in Honolulu Hale cares about them. Imagine what it’s going to be like after the election when food an energy prices really get this inflation party started. Makaha and Maile point might be off menu this winter. Then again I’ll be reluctant to leave the house because we’ll have our own zip code chaos to worry about.

Hurry up with those permits chief

Y'all need to be documenting that shit.
Puna and I live in rural Hawaii and that
isn't happening here.
Too dangerous for criminals. cops are
too far away for their protection.
 

I applied today. I asked if they had gotten lots of applications, and the guy said no. Then he went on to say they’re not allowed to say it’s a waste of time before explaining to me it’s a waste of time. Lol so I’m not going to get my hopes up too high 🙄

The really sad thing about all of this is it's not a waste of time, for you, me, or anybody else that wants a CCW permit. 

SCOTUS ruled that an individual's right to self-protection extends beyond the confines of one's household and property.

They (HPD and the counties LE Departments) are the actual "waste of time" and is deliberately creating obstacles and saying sh*t like what they just told you in direct defiance of the highest court of the land.  An institution that demands utmost respect and compliance in their decisions.

What Hawaii is doing, along with other asshat States like Kalifornia and New York, is downright infuriating and a good example of how far this country has deteriorated under the Blue Party Doctrine.

The really sad thing about all of this is it's not a waste of time, for you, me, or anybody else that wants a CCW permit. 

SCOTUS ruled that an individual's right to self-protection extends beyond the confines of one's household and property.

They (HPD and the counties LE Departments) are the actual "waste of time" and is deliberately creating obstacles and saying sh*t like what they just told you in direct defiance of the highest court of the land.  An institution that demands utmost respect and compliance in their decisions.

What Hawaii is doing, along with other asshat States like Kalifornia and New York, is downright infuriating and a good example of how far this country has deteriorated under the Blue Party Doctrine.

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As I stated before, I was disappointed with the decision written by Thomas.  I was hoping he would have said anyone who can legally purchase a handgun has the right to carry it in public, aka constitutional carry.  Since in my opinion he did not go far enough, I knew Hawaii would implement  a stalling tactic and other bullshit to force those that wish to carry, sue the state and take another 10 years in court with no monetary compensation.  No wonder one of my friends told me 7 guys at his workplace carry anyway. One guy is going on 14 years carrying a 9MM.

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Here is one of countless reasons you need 30 (or more) rounds.  That lady is a hopeless idiot.



Maybe we should give her a single shot .22 LR and set her loose in Boar Country.

1 CA mag limit lawsuit specifically stated that 10rds was not enough. Each plaintiff ran out of ammo during the shootouts inside their home when bad guys broke in.  1 stated the spare mags was in the other room. The other was in their bathrobe and could not carry spare mags on them. IDK what ever came about this lawsuit.

Hawaii County PD published the new requirements on their website mid-morning.

Here is the URL for the page. It has live links to all the documents listed.

https://www.hawaiipolice.com/services/firearm-registration#licenseCarry

License to Carry

On August 24, 2022, the Hawai`i Police Department announced that it has revised the permitting process for license to carry concealed and unconcealed firearms as a result of the July 23, 2022, Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) decision in the case of New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc., et al. v. Bruen, Superintendent Of New York State Police, et al. The updated application and supporting documentation forms are linked below.

HPD’s Procedures Manual License to Carry (Concealed and Unconcealed) Application Processing

HPD’s Application for License to Carry Firearm Packet Checklist

Application for License to Carry Firearms Form (Form HPD/ADMIN-039A)

Application for License to Carry Firearms Form – Attachment A – Employer Certification

Authorization for Use or Disclosure of Protected Health Information (PHI)

HPD’s Applicant’s License to Carry Waiver of Liability and Release Form

* * * *

What a pile of bullsh*t.

For example, from the 12 page HPD’s Procedures Manual License to Carry (Concealed and Unconcealed) Application Processing:

5.1.3. Submit a copy of the signed firearms proficiency test including
scores:
a. Firearms proficiency test shall be taken with the firearm to
be carried, (completed within 90 days prior to submittal of
application).
b. Test must be administered by a state-certified or National
Rifle Association firearms instructor of the applicant’s
choosing (include instructor certification).
c. Signed shooting proficiency test results must include
shooting scores (pass/fail only is not sufficient).

Uh-huh. There is no public range on this island/county. Where the hell will the test be given?

They have also changed the application to include the listing of only one firearm to be carried. The application I submitted just over a month ago had the space for four firearms to be listed to carry.

The list of "conditions" (which the chief may use to disqualify) is ludicrously long.

So did the applicants on Oahu get this updated application and that's why the chief there said he'd be issuing licenses by the end of August?
 

Since BI has no public range, sounds like you guys will have to work with private property owners. And hope they don't charge an arm and a leg, but allow people on their land for the good of the cause.

No update on Honolulu PD yet.  But call the chief is tomorrow morning, so I'm sure someone will call and ask.

Thanks for sharing this info.

Got a question about this Employer Certification form, https://www.hawaiipolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/4.-License-to-Carry-Application-Attach-A-Employer-Certif-082422.pdf.

Is this form for all applicants or just those employed by the state of city and country? Is it just those who work for a security firm?

If not, does this mean your employer, private or public sector, needs to sign off on your concealed carry application?

Hawaii County PD published the new requirements on their website mid-morning.

Here is the URL for the page. It has live links to all the documents listed.

https://www.hawaiipolice.com/services/firearm-registration#licenseCarry

License to Carry

On August 24, 2022, the Hawai`i Police Department announced that it has revised the permitting process for license to carry concealed and unconcealed firearms as a result of the July 23, 2022, Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) decision in the case of New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc., et al. v. Bruen, Superintendent Of New York State Police, et al. The updated application and supporting documentation forms are linked below.

HPD’s Procedures Manual License to Carry (Concealed and Unconcealed) Application Processing

HPD’s Application for License to Carry Firearm Packet Checklist

Application for License to Carry Firearms Form (Form HPD/ADMIN-039A)

Application for License to Carry Firearms Form – Attachment A – Employer Certification

Authorization for Use or Disclosure of Protected Health Information (PHI)

HPD’s Applicant’s License to Carry Waiver of Liability and Release Form

* * * *

What a pile of bullsh*t.

For example, from the 12 page HPD’s Procedures Manual License to Carry (Concealed and Unconcealed) Application Processing:

5.1.3. Submit a copy of the signed firearms proficiency test including
scores:
a. Firearms proficiency test shall be taken with the firearm to
be carried, (completed within 90 days prior to submittal of
application).
b. Test must be administered by a state-certified or National
Rifle Association firearms instructor of the applicant’s
choosing (include instructor certification).
c. Signed shooting proficiency test results must include
shooting scores (pass/fail only is not sufficient).

Uh-huh. There is no public range on this island/county. Where the hell will the test be given?

They have also changed the application to include the listing of only one firearm to be carried. The application I submitted just over a month ago had the space for four firearms to be listed to carry.

The list of "conditions" (which the chief may use to disqualify) is ludicrously long.

So did the applicants on Oahu get this updated application and that's why the chief there said he'd be issuing licenses by the end of August?

I called the number listed in the media release re the new carry applications to ask who, when, where and the cost of the "firearms proficiency test".

I called three times. Each time: "Your call cannot be completed".

I wonder if that will be the last glitch in this process? LOL.

Thanks for sharing this info.

Got a question about this Employer Certification form, https://www.hawaiipolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/4.-License-to-Carry-Application-Attach-A-Employer-Certif-082422.pdf.

Is this form for all applicants or just those employed by the state of city and country? Is it just those who work for a security firm?

If not, does this mean your employer, private or public sector, needs to sign off on your concealed carry application?

From the form [emphasis added]:

THAT THE NATURE OF THE PERSON’S DUTIES REQUIRE THAT THE PERSON CARRY THE FIREARM DESCRIBED HEREIN FOR THE
PURPOSE STATED, AND THAT THE APPLICANT IS QUALIFIED TO USE SAID FIREARMS AS REQUIRED BY THE RULES AND
REGULATIONS OF THE POLICE CHIEF CONCERNING THE CARRYING OF CONCEALED FIREARMS AND THE CARRYING OF
UNCONCEALED FIREARMS BY PRIVATE DETECTIVES AND SECURITY GUARDS.

So, if the state requires that policies be consistent throughout the state, we can safely assume (though not guarantee) that the other counties will have the same  or nearly the same procedures.

Second, if the license expires annually, and the test must be completed within 90 days of application/renewal, unless they state otherwise, the test needs to be passed annually as well (read that as "more money and time spent to satisfy government requirements").  That puts one more speed bump in the process for law-abiding gun owners.  If the test costs $150, that's not a small sum accrued over 5-10 years or more.

Top that off with the "must test with the handgun you will carry."  If you want the option to carry a different gun for different situations/attire/moods, you'll need to pay for testing with each firearm.  Maybe some proctors will offer a discount for multiple guns in one testing session, but I doubt it'll be cheap.  They still have to do a separate form for each test.

While they are at it, why not require applicants to show how to properly clear a malfunction?  Oh, that's right/  A jammed gun isn't a threat to anyone.  What was I thinking?   

I called gun shops on the island, but they said they do not have any courses at this time. Xring said they do, but wont be holding it anytime soon

So, if the state requires that policies be consistent throughout the state, we can safely assume (though not guarantee) that the other counties will have the same  or nearly the same procedures.

Second, if the license expires annually, and the test must be completed within 90 days of application/renewal, unless they state otherwise, the test needs to be passed annually as well (read that as "more money and time spent to satisfy government requirements").  That puts one more speed bump in the process for law-abiding gun owners.  If the test costs $150, that's not a small sum accrued over 5-10 years or more.

Top that off with the "must test with the handgun you will carry."  If you want the option to carry a different gun for different situations/attire/moods, you'll need to pay for testing with each firearm.  Maybe some proctors will offer a discount for multiple guns in one testing session, but I doubt it'll be cheap.  They still have to do a separate form for each test.

While they are at it, why not require applicants to show how to properly clear a malfunction?  Oh, that's right/  A jammed gun isn't a threat to anyone.  What was I thinking?   

It's ALL bullsh*t.

Anything beyond disqualification from possession due to particular kinds of criminal convictions or certain kinds of mental incapacity are all infringements. ALL OF IT!

The government has zero legitimate justification for demanding knowledge of anything at all about a law-abiding citizen's weaponry. ZERO!

A person can "make a stink" about it all, file lawsuits, and/or simply ignore the illegal laws and exercise one's rights as intended (with the potential of incarceration imposed by the fascist authoritarians).

This is all too f*cking much. Sickening. Truly disgusting.

Can't wait to see what the legislature comes up with next session (just a few common sense gun regulations, I'm sure).

Top that off with the "must test with the handgun you will carry."  If you want the option to carry a different gun for different situations/attire/moods, you'll need to pay for testing with each firearm.  Maybe some proctors will offer a discount for multiple guns in one testing session, but I doubt it'll be cheap.  They still have to do a separate form for each test.

I'm sure that there will be stores that instead of just shooting all the guns you want to apply with, they will charge you for each gun.  We've seen stores charge $200 class just to buy a taser, when the law states 'informational briefing" and not "class".

so what is passing score?
how many shots?
distance?
time limit?

Section 8.4 article 1.

What a bunch of bullsh*t.  The permit, if granted is good for one year.  Then when you re-new, it looks like you gotta go through the whole BS application process again!!

This is like when we "re-new" our long gun application.  We are not actually re-newing in the true sense.  We are turning in the old permit and applying for a new one

All....This....is....F**KN.....BULLSH*T.