so what is passing score?
how many shots?
distance?
time limit?

Who knows....but it wouldn't surprise me that you gotta hit 20 out of 19 shots at 100 yards......

so what is passing score?
how many shots?
distance?
time limit?

The Oahu chief, on the radio call in show, said that the state wouldn't dictate to the testers what the criteria would be, and that the testers themselves would make up whatever standard for competence/passing they wanted. So each person teaching would have a distinct test and a distinct "passing score". Gee, that sounds real scientific and objective. Just like all the rest of their "common sense gun safety" bullsh*t lies.

Of course, the Oahu chief also said he'd be issuing licenses in the next 7 days. I wonder if he'll have to make a retraction? I mean a correction to the procedure. I mean sling more bullsh*t.

Who knows....but it wouldn't surprise me that you gotta hit 20 out of 19 shots at 100 yards......

...in minus two seconds.

Here's another doozy of their fascist authoritarian totally subjective bullsh*t:

6.3.9. Whether the applicant has an “urgency” or “need” to carry a
firearm unconcealed rather than concealed, taking into account
considerations such as whether an unconcealed carry license will
enable the applicant to protect life or property more effectively
than a concealed carry license, and whether the intended use of the
unconcealed carry license is likely to cause terror and panic among
the general public (e.g., openly carrying a firearm in a shopping
center may be different than openly carrying a firearm on a quiet
street or in a rural area);

They're admitting that your ability to exercise your fundamental, individual, God-given/natural, unalienable Constitutionally-protected right is contingent upon the response of other people, no matter how stupid, ignorant, paranoid, buffoonish, or idiotically moronic they might be. Yeah, that sounds about right, especially for Hawaii... where those types of people are the vast majority (aka Democrats).

The Ainokea, Inogivashit permit looks better every passing minute.

But as a member of this forum, I don't do anything illegal…..but isn’t the right to carry, legal?

if it's up to the NRA instructor, how about we do the test at 1 foot distance
that way we can't miss

The Oahu chief, on the radio call in show, said that the state wouldn't dictate to the testers what the criteria would be, and that the testers themselves would make up whatever standard for competence/passing they wanted. So each person teaching would have a distinct test and a distinct "passing score". Gee, that sounds real scientific and objective. Just like all the rest of their "common sense gun safety" bullsh*t lies.

Of course, the Oahu chief also said he'd be issuing licenses in the next 7 days. I wonder if he'll have to make a retraction? I mean a correction to the procedure. I mean sling more bullsh*t.

Makes about as much sense as making us either pay for an NRA Handgun Safety Course (must include live fire training) OR pass the HI Hunter's Ed Course in which no live fire training is included.

Logic is not part of the thought process.

if it's up to the NRA instructor, how about we do the test at 1 foot distance
that way we can't miss

Just got off the phone with the H[awaii]PD public contact re carry. He said he believed that the instructor would be legally liable for any future mishap (ND, etc.) or misuse of a firearm by any person given a passing grade in a class s/he taught. So... there's a big disincentive to teach those classes right there (though I'm guessing that NRA instructors purchase some kind of liability insurance).

I originally asked the officer who, when, where and how much do the classes cost... and about the fact that there is no public range here. He said HPD can't get involved in that as they don't want to assume any liability for even directing anyone to a class... they are just doing what is required by law in HRS 134, and those details of no classes, no instructors, etc. are things the applicants will have to work out. smh. Seriously? What a joke!

Might as well just say "you must prove that you are an exceptional case". Oh, wait...

often times cops at the firearms division just make things up
they have lied to me in the past
they try to get you to do things that are not the law or are not required

if it's up to the NRA instructor, how about we do the test at 1 foot distance
that way we can't miss

If the law doesnt say it, can.

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if it's up to the NRA instructor, how about we do the test at 1 foot distance
that way we can't miss

In the case of an attempted carjacking with you still in the driver's seat, that's a legitimate distance. Probably more like 6 inches.

I'd love to see a bunch of those criminals go down. After class certification of course.

Just got off the phone with the H[awaii]PD public contact re carry. He said he believed that the instructor would be legally liable for any future mishap (ND, etc.) or misuse of a firearm by any person given a passing grade in a class s/he taught. So... there's a big disincentive to teach those classes right there (though I'm guessing that NRA instructors purchase some kind of liability insurance).

I originally asked the officer who, when, where and how much do the classes cost... and about the fact that there is no public range here. He said HPD can't get involved in that as they don't want to assume any liability for even directing anyone to a class... they are just doing what is required by law in HRS 134, and those details of no classes, no instructors, etc. are things the applicants will have to work out. smh. Seriously? What a joke!

Might as well just say "you must prove that you are an exceptional case". Oh, wait...

That's some BS right there.  Where's said Hawaii PD public contact's law degree? 

If the law doesnt say it, can.

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So, you're saying CMO has a chance? 

The Ainokea, Inogivashit permit looks better every passing minute.

But as a member of this forum, I don't do anything illegal…..but isn’t the right to carry, legal?

isn't that why the Maui case, the charge for "place to keep" was thrown out?  no longer enforceable?

Just got off the phone with the H[awaii]PD public contact re carry. He said he believed that the instructor would be legally liable for any future mishap (ND, etc.) or misuse of a firearm by any person given a passing grade in a class s/he taught. So... there's a big disincentive to teach those classes right there (though I'm guessing that NRA instructors purchase some kind of liability insurance).

I originally asked the officer who, when, where and how much do the classes cost... and about the fact that there is no public range here. He said HPD can't get involved in that as they don't want to assume any liability for even directing anyone to a class... they are just doing what is required by law in HRS 134, and those details of no classes, no instructors, etc. are things the applicants will have to work out. smh. Seriously? What a joke!

Might as well just say "you must prove that you are an exceptional case". Oh, wait...

I’m definitely not a lawyer, nor do I want to be one, but my interpretation of 134-9 leaves the police chief as the decision maker.  My opinion is that if there were any legal actions taken because of an incident then the chief should be held liable because they ultimately approved the individual’s permit.  HPD and MPD have an extremely vague shooting requirement that requires a state certified or NRA instructor to administer, sign, and score a shooting test.  Nowhere does it state what the proficiency test needs to cover or whether the instructor needs to personally and specifically vouch that it is in their opinion that the shooter is capable of responsibly carrying in public. The police chief’s policy and lack of clarity with testing leaves the analysis of the test results in the hands of the chief.  I interpret their policies as requiring the instructor to count holes on paper and calculate the percentage of hits on target.

Y'all understand the word "kinetic"?
Russians are learning it,
Maybe Hawaiian Democratst  may get a clue.
 

After a very brief internet search:

The basic NRA CCW class:

$275, 350 rounds ammo, 3 mags w pouches, 12 dummy rounds

[Every f*cking year... smh. Bullsh*t.]

Search of the NRA website for their NRA CCW class by location:

Within 100 miles of Hilo: "Search returns no records"

For the state of Hawaii: "Search returns no records"

Gotta love the commies running this place... they just replaced one impossibility ("exceptional case") with another (must complete class that doesn't exist).

"To Protect and Serve"  HPD used to have this motto.  Not sure if it still is.  But it is........

Bullsh*t.!!!

Protect?     Yeah, protect their own a$$es.

Serve?  Serve what, BS???

Right now it seems their attitude is, you want 2a rights?  Jump through these hoops.  Serves you right for thinking Hawaii will ever, ever follow the 2a as depicted in the Constitution.

That's the only "serve" they know.

If someone can clearly demonstrate that the history, text and tradition of the Second Amendment (".. the right of the people to keep AND BEAR arms, shall NOT BE INFRINGED") as intended by the writers 1. required all possessed firearms to be made known to any government agency or agent, and 2. required proving to any government agency or agent that one had completed an approved "bearing arms" class in order to lawfully bear, I will give you a dollar.

The obvious conclusion is that the traitors to their oaths of office running these shams are either oblivious useful idiots, and/or evil.

They're admitting that your ability to exercise your fundamental, individual, God-given/natural, unalienable Constitutionally-protected right is contingent upon the response of other people, no matter how stupid, ignorant, paranoid, buffoonish, or idiotically moronic they might be.

Of course, mixed in will be the liberal Karens that screech, point, and dial 911 on their iFags for no reason other than you exercising your right is intolerable to them.