Did Logan state specifically under what legal authority a "hearing" is required? Or is he just making sh*t up again?

It will certainly be a preview of the legislative agenda to follow, including delineating exactly where bearing arms will be allowed, and NOT allowed. My guess: bearing arms will be allowed in approximately 2% of the land mass of Hawaii. That seems like the typical common sense gun safety policy and would not be an infringement of a God-given natural right because no right is absolute.

They already tipped their hand on that.

All private businesses BY DEFAULT are "No Carry" establishments unless they post a notice allowing it.

So, until businesses that decide to allow it post signs, this "rule" means 100% of private businesses are gun free zones.

I think NY and/or CA is having a similar scheme challenged in court.

Maui PD just acknowledged receipt of my UIPA request.

I will let you all know what I receive when I get the info. Curious to see how the firearms proficiency requirement was met within 90 days prior to application.

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This is an official UIPA request.

Please provide me with all documents, electronic or paper, related to the application, consideration, evaluation and granting of a carry license by Maui Police Department (MPD) as recently reported by KHON news outlet.

https://www.khon2.com/local-news/maui-issues-first-concealed-carry-permit?utm_source=khon_app&utm_medium=social&utm_content=share-link

PLEASE NOTE: I AM NOT SEEKING THE IDENTITY OF THE INDIVIDUAL GRANTED THE LICENSE NOR ANY PERSONAL INFORMATION THAT MIGHT LEAD TO THE IDENTITY OF SAID LICENSEE. THE NAME, ADDRESS, ETC. OF THE APPLICANT MAY BE REDACTED.

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Did Logan state specifically under what legal authority a "hearing" is required? Or is he just making sh*t up again?

It will certainly be a preview of the legislative agenda to follow, including delineating exactly where bearing arms will be allowed, and NOT allowed. My guess: bearing arms will be allowed in approximately 2% of the land mass of Hawaii. That seems like the typical common sense gun safety policy and would not be an infringement of a God-given natural right because no right is absolute.

He mentioned something about a 1982 thing. I don't remember, but you can listen to the show yourself. It was toward the end of the 1 hour segment. Like last 10 mins or so.

BI held no such hearing, well that we know of because no one was invited, so like someone else mentioned, did BI violate this 1982 law/requirement?

I think NY and/or CA is having a similar scheme challenged in court.

They are, but until it's ruled upon, the law can stay as is. Basically a "F-U, sue us" from them.  I can't wait to see what HI does when our leg session starts.

Inflation is about to make violent crime so bad that there won’t be enough cops to investigate most self defense shootings. That’s what happened in the other leftist ruled economic sacrifice zones.

Right now national odds are 50/50, but as citizens continue to lose faith in the justice system and stop testifying that ratio of failed investigations will only get worse.

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/police-in-us-struggle-to-close-cases-as-unsolved-murders-rise/#x

The chief is undermining his own credibility while simultaneously encouraging criminality in order to score liberal political points.

No wonder his own son turned out so awful.

This guy gives morons a bad name.

The public review is a good thing, to be able to see and provide input on something before it's implemented.  It should be done in all counties.

The actual problem to complain about is it should've been done earlier, and permits applied for already need to be issued under current policy without delay.

The undersigned hereby authorizes any person or legal entity who may be contacted by Department
officers, employees, or agents to release and transmit to such officers, employees, or agents, any
information, data, or opinions they may have regarding my background, family, personal habits or
reputation. Further, the undersigned waives for this purpose any and all legal privileges I may have to
maintain such information as confidential, including but not limited to the following
privileges: attorney-client, clergyman-penitent, husband-wife, physician-patient, psychologist-client,
creditor-customer, and accountant-client.

The fact that they would have the balls to ask for this stuff just shows how illegitimate their authority is and how poorly they understand their position

They think their power comes from the barrels of their guns and not the consent of the governed.

Only the most feckless of morons would scream from the rooftops: 

“CRIMINALS HAVE MORE RIGHTS!”

The public review is a good thing, to be able to see and provide input on something before it's implemented.  It should be done in all counties.

The actual problem to complain about is it should've been done earlier, and permits applied for already need to be issued under current policy without delay.

The problem will be is that they won't listen much to our side and do what they "feel" is in the best interest of public safety. The public hearing is all smoke and mirrors. But we still have to show up. No come, no grumble.

I didn't have such a form for when I filled out my application.  This waver is worse than the test requirement in my opinion.  You are giving up more freedoms to gain just one back.

The form is basically a way where they can delve into every aspect of your life, convolute what they find, spin the information in their favor if they want to......

and there is nothing that you can do about it.  There is no pathway for re-course on your part.

The public review is a good thing, to be able to see and provide input on something before it's implemented.  It should be done in all counties.

The actual problem to complain about is it should've been done earlier, and permits applied for already need to be issued under current policy without delay.

To me this alone shows they (HPD, County LE, and State) are not acting in good faith.  They are stalling, deferring, and shooting BS out of their A$$es.

To me this alone shows they (HPD, County LE, and State) are not acting in good faith.  They are stalling, deferring, and shooting BS out of their A$$es.

That's why I mentioned the new chief was corrupt and was doubted by 1 person here.

Via grapevine (highly reliable source... former NRA-certified instructor):

Someone who just got certified is hoping to start doing the CCW proficiency class in a week or two.

$300.

Discount (unstated) for annual renewal.

If the requirement is 350 rounds, as per other (mainland) NRA CCW class, In Hilo 9mm target ammo is $168 for 350 rounds.

Hollow point would be $350 for 350 rounds, but my source said he expects the instructor would allow target ammo for the certification.

Might need extra mags and pouches for them and the dummy rounds.

That puts the minimum cost at around $500... or $700 if required to use self-defense ammo.

YIKES!

That's a big dip out of the pot for those on fixed incomes, and in the lower economic brackets... who can barely afford food and gas and medical care these days.

I also wonder even if one jumps successfully through all the current hoops if "something else" "unforeseen" just might "come up" and delay or negate the issuance of licenses.

The people I know have heard of who carry, and have been carrying for years, don't seem all that interested in the new rules and getting a license. Gee, I wonder why?

Via grapevine (highly reliable source... former NRA-certified instructor):

Someone who just got certified is hoping to start doing the CCW proficiency class in a week or two.

$300.

If this is a full one day defensive shooting class then it would be worth it.  If just the test, then a ripoff.

A more reasonable charge just for the test would be $50-$75  To cover insurance, supplies, time, some profit, and there is some legal liability involved.  It could be done at MM16 range.

I might go down there to give the test.  But that liability waiver has to be addressed first.

] Further, the undersigned waives for this purpose any and all legal privileges I may have to
maintain such information as confidential, including but not limited to the following
privileges: attorney-client, clergyman-penitent, husband-wife, physician-patient, psychologist-client,
creditor-customer, and accountant-client.[/b][/u]

I can see the county trying to get away with all the other stuff, but I'm surprised they're brash enough to include these.  They go all out and swing for the fences.

I guess the way the chief sees it,  we’re all criminals until proven innocent

Via grapevine (highly reliable source... former NRA-certified instructor):

Someone who just got certified is hoping to start doing the CCW proficiency class in a week or two.

$300.

Discount (unstated) for annual renewal.

If the requirement is 350 rounds, as per other (mainland) NRA CCW class, In Hilo 9mm target ammo is $168 for 350 rounds.

Hollow point would be $350 for 350 rounds, but my source said he expects the instructor would allow target ammo for the certification.

Might need extra mags and pouches for them and the dummy rounds.

That puts the minimum cost at around $500... or $700 if required to use self-defense ammo.

YIKES!

That's a big dip out of the pot for those on fixed incomes, and in the lower economic brackets... who can barely afford food and gas and medical care these days.

I also wonder even if one jumps successfully through all the current hoops if "something else" "unforeseen" just might "come up" and delay or negate the issuance of licenses.

The people I know have heard of who carry, and have been carrying for years, don't seem all that interested in the new rules and getting a license. Gee, I wonder why?

Wow, that is some mean expenses for a CCW permit.  Not to mention HP ammunition is not as readily available like range ammo.  It wasn't too long ago when the LGS's were limiting purchases to 1 (50 rd) box, lol!!

But the costs to do this is very prohibitive even with the annual re-new "discount".

I guess the way the chief sees it,  we’re all criminals until proven innocent

I said I would not post any more,
but you got this one right,
Fucking cops!
 

What if we all get certified? Can give ourselves test yeah? 

The sad thing is the police have no idea that they are running themselves out of a job. The hiring of 87,000 new IRS agents is the birth of a federal police force, and once corrupted local law enforcement undermine their credibility by participating in the destruction of their own community they will swiftly be replaced. Concealed carry reduces violent crime, and it’s pretty obvious someone who lives far away in a secure location surrounded by armed bodyguards wants violent crime in Hawaii to get a whole lot worse.

As one of the 300+ that applied for the Conceal/Open Carry, I too am "Very" Disappointed what is transpiring here on Oahu.

I'm very disappointed with Chief Logan. (But not Surprised). After all, Hawaii is a pretty "Blue" state.

I guess everyone that "swears" on the "BIBLE" to Uphold our "LAWS" are really All for themselves and not interested in doing what is "right" based on the Supreme Court of the United State and our Second Amendment Right!


Anyway, Wow ! After Reading what people posted i for one would like to be a "certified" NRA CCW instructor?  No downside right?

In all honesty, i have a few mainland trips planned.  Better look into this/. Since I was going to "shoot" there anyway......

Hmm I wonder if the CCW NRA instructor was based in another state.  Would their certification work?

Everyone Be SAVE! 

Aloha!