Hmm I wonder if the CCW NRA instructor was based in another state.  Would their certification work?

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NRA CCW Instructor is a national certification, but the class can be adapted to meet a state's requiremetns.

Via grapevine (highly reliable source... former NRA-certified instructor):

Someone who just got certified is hoping to start doing the CCW proficiency class in a week or two.

$300.

Discount (unstated) for annual renewal.

If the requirement is 350 rounds, as per other (mainland) NRA CCW class, In Hilo 9mm target ammo is $168 for 350 rounds.

Hollow point would be $350 for 350 rounds, but my source said he expects the instructor would allow target ammo for the certification.

Might need extra mags and pouches for them and the dummy rounds.

That puts the minimum cost at around $500... or $700 if required to use self-defense ammo.

YIKES!

That's a big dip out of the pot for those on fixed incomes, and in the lower economic brackets... who can barely afford food and gas and medical care these days.

I also wonder even if one jumps successfully through all the current hoops if "something else" "unforeseen" just might "come up" and delay or negate the issuance of licenses.

The people I know have heard of who carry, and have been carrying for years, don't seem all that interested in the new rules and getting a license. Gee, I wonder why?

Sounds like this is a cert to for others to teach a nra ccw class. If this is just for students to get a ccw, its very overpriced.

NV shoot test for ccw is less than 50rds, and more like 30 or so.

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*Update

For reference, the CCW class required to get your NV permit cost from $100-$250 and ammo is included.

If this is a full one day defensive shooting class then it would be worth it.  If just the test, then a ripoff.

A more reasonable charge just for the test would be $50-$75  To cover insurance, supplies, time, some profit, and there is some legal liability involved.  It could be done at MM16 range.

I might go down there to give the test.  But that liability waiver has to be addressed first.

Any chance HiFiCo would put on the classes and tack on a few bucks to the sticker price to help fund the lawyer war chest?  No need to answer, just food for thought.

So HPD Logan says 333 applicants for CCW.

There's 1 million plus people in this damn state and he wants a public hearing and talks BS about making sure all procedures are in place, yada....yada.....

What is he concerned about?  Wild, Wild West?  Increased firearm violence?

Talk about looking at a glass half empty.  How about looking at it half full?  Those 333 applicants are law-abiding citizens that already jumped through the many communist, unconstitutional hoops to own firearms.  They are already vetted.

Has he even thought of (or refused to admit) that issuing CCW permits might actually deter and reduce crime in our state?

QuietShooter got it right.

This is just hysteria.
Public hearing for 333 already permitted and registered firearm owners who’ve passed every legal requirement in place. 

And that Hawaii PD Waiver / Hold Harmless is batshi+!

350 rounds sounds like way too much
how many rounds does HPD use for their test?
if the civilian test is stricter than the HPD test, then that is major BS!!!

i heard the retired LEO ccw live round test is less than 20-30 rounds

Any chance HiFiCo would put on the classes and tack on a few bucks to the sticker price to help fund the lawyer war chest?  No need to answer, just food for thought.

Not under hifico, but I'll do a couple classes and train some CCW instructors.

Not under hifico, but I'll do a couple classes and train some CCW instructors.

Todd, you da man!

Too bad there is an endless stream of new bullshit you have to take on in addition to the gigantic pile already sitting there. smh.

Thank you very much for all you do. Don't have words for the appreciation. 

Pistols magazines are only 10 rounds here
Shooting qualifications should be 20 rounds max

Not under hifico, but I'll do a couple classes and train some CCW instructors.

Sign me up please

Is there any way that HIFICO could start or facilitate a GoFundMe or like fund, or give FPC a ring for help so that we can donate to sue to HPD chief/ responsible parties?

I for one really want to see the ball rolling on this. Especially given SCOTUS ruling came out months ago and NY and CA have already implemented AND issued CCW permits and our state “mirrors” them?

I personally believe that legal action is both necessary and justified, due to his publicly informing citizens that permits will be signed off and issued by the end of August (with no clear, concise mention of potential for delay) and now a true stall tactic being used of going against his own word and now adding legally unnecessary delays to that already shady “word” of his

I want to donate

The undersigned hereby authorizes any person or legal entity who may be contacted by Department
officers, employees, or agents to release and transmit to such officers, employees, or agents, any
information, data, or opinions they may have regarding my background, family, personal habits or
reputation. Further, the undersigned waives for this purpose any and all legal privileges I may have to
maintain such information as confidential, including but not limited to the following
privileges: attorney-client, clergyman-penitent, husband-wife, physician-patient, psychologist-client,
creditor-customer, and accountant-client.[/u]

They can kiss my arse at Lahaina noon. 

Refused to join in Rapback, will not give them free permission to dig into my life now.

Most people will gloss over the waiver and just sign it.  But it's actually a bigger issue than the delays in getting a permit.  It takes things to a whole nother level.

Looking into it.

Most people will gloss over the waiver and just sign it.  But it's actually a bigger issue than the delays in getting a permit.  It takes things to a whole nother level.

Looking into it.

I agree.  I'm not very well versed in legalese and it was confusing for me when I first read it.  But I read it several times and to me it kinda reminds me of those movies where you sign in blood and hand over your soul to the devil.

In this case the "soul" is your private life and the freedoms you have as a United States Citizen.

But remember, we live in Hawaii......

I agree.  I'm not very well versed in legalese and it was confusing for me when I first read it.  But I read it several times and to me it kinda reminds me of those movies where you sign in blood and hand over your soul to the devil.

In this case the "soul" is your private life and the freedoms you have as a United States Citizen.

But remember, we live in Hawaii......

I'm surprised they didn't just boil it down to you voluntarily waiving all rights under the 2nd, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments.

No right to bear arms unless privileged to do so by the state, no right to be secure in your persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, no need to obtain any warrants for any reason thereby allowing the state to seize you and/or your property without probable cause, no right to due process, and you can be compelled to bear witness against yourself by volunteering every facet of information on you that exists anywhere, including that information ordinarily protected under professional ethics standards (lawyer, doctor, pharmacist, etc.).

In full with bolded

In order to permit the Hawai‘i Police Department, hereafter referred to as the “Department,” to make a
thorough investigation of my background, family, personal habits, and reputation for the purpose of
determining my fitness and suitability for a License to Carry a Firearm in the County of Hawai‘i:
I, ___________________________________________, applicant, hereby release from liability and
promise to hold harmless from any liability under any and all possible causes of legal action any and
all persons that shall furnish any information or opinions regarding applicant’s background, family,
personal habits or reputation in order to determine whether applicant is able to meet the qualifications
to carry a firearm in the County of Hawai‘i.

The undersigned hereby authorizes any person or legal entity who may be contacted by Department
officers, employees, or agents to release and transmit to such officers, employees, or agents, any
information, data, or opinions they may have regarding my background, family, personal habits or
reputation. Further, the undersigned waives for this purpose any and all legal privileges I may have to
maintain such information as confidential, including but not limited to the following
privileges: attorney-client, clergyman-penitent, husband-wife, physician-patient, psychologist-client,
creditor-customer, and accountant-client.[/u]

The undersigned further agrees to hold harmless and release from liability under any and all possible
causes of legal action the Department, its officers, its employees, and its agents, for any
statements, acts, or omissions in the course of its investigation into applicant’s background,
family, personal habits, and reputation.

I further realize that it is necessary for the Department to thoroughly investigate all aspects
of applicant’s personal background and qualifications and, by applying for a License to Carry a
Firearm in the County of Hawai‘i, I expressly waive all of my legal rights and causes of action to
the extent that the Hawai‘i Police Department investigation (for purposes of evaluating my
suitability or application to carry a firearm) may violate or infringe upon these aforementioned
legal rights and causes of action. I hereby authorize the Department to reproduce this form to be
used solely for the purposes of my Application for a License to Carry a Firearm in the County of
Hawai‘i.

This release from liability given by the undersigned to the Department, its officers, employees, agents,
and all others as heretofore provided, shall apply to any right of action that might accrue to the
undersigned, my heirs, and personal representatives.

is any of that legal? If so, do the police officers who have carry rights oblige to that as well?

... you sign in blood and hand over your soul to the devil.

Blackmail or gestapo is a easier way to explain it.

I'm surprised they didn't just boil it down to you voluntarily waiving all rights under the 2nd, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments.

No right to bear arms unless privileged to do so by the state, no right to be secure in your persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, no need to obtain any warrants for any reason thereby allowing the state to seize you and/or your property without probable cause, no right to due process, and you can be compelled to bear witness against yourself by volunteering every facet of information on you that exists anywhere, including that information ordinarily protected under professional ethics standards (lawyer, doctor, pharmacist, etc.).

My take is that the scenario you outline already exists de facto (see: keep and bear "limitations", "asset forfeiture", law enforcement and judicial and political "corruption", etc.). The state of Hawaii may not have access to every shred of information about individuals that exists electronically, but as multiple whistleblowers have indicated, various federal agencies and black budget ops do. Here the county is just asking you to save them the time and trouble of trying to get the spying agencies to turn over the information. We (ordinary law-abiding citizens) have no right to bear arms for self-defense in Hawaii. Even if several (or several hundred) licenses are eventually issued, they will be encumbered by even more "restrictions" on where, when, and how you may exercise your right, essentially making it not a right at all and highly ineffective for actual self-defense except for limited circumstances and locations. That's not a right, that's a (barely meaningful) privilege.

That being said, I hope someone sues the sh*t out of them and wins a financially crippling victory.

Not about Hawaii but similar..

Not about Hawaii but similar..

Yeah, Marxist-Stalinists are the same everywhere.

I'm totally with the host in that there should be no involvement at all, of any kind, with any government agency or agent to exercise any enumerated right. (No registration, no BATFE, no bullsh*t limitations on barrel lengths and mag capacity, etc., NO licenses, permits, classes, tests, etc., etc., etc. NADA! F*CK OFF!)

I'm a little surprised at the proficiency test specifics:

3. Safely load the firearm with five rounds of ammunition. Not holster the loaded
firearm. Maintain a ready position with the firearm safely pointed downrange.

4. On the Instructor’s command to fire, aim at the target and fire all five rounds from
a standing position, from a distance of 4 yards. The target must be a 25 ½ inch
by 11-inch paper target. At least four out of the five rounds must be on target.

I think even I might be able to pass that! Maybe. How many tries do I get? 350 rounds worth?