Is there such a thing as a level 2 IWB holster for a mini 10 round  9mm (eg, Sig 365)

Active retention holsters are intended for situations where you don't want someone fighting you or surprising you from behind before you can stop them from taking your gun.

If the firearm is concealed, there's no logical reason to also have active retention.

You want to be able to quickly draw your concealed firearm.  An active retention mechanism would impede that.  If you feel the need to have extra retention, you can opt for an OWB concealment holster as zippz mentioned.  Just have to have a garment capable of properly covering it.

Having said that, there's no law that requires a holster for carry at all.  You can carry in a pocket, briefcase, fanny pack, backpack, organizer, etc.  You can even have it in your car's console.

It would make sense for Cops who carry on a duty belt to test with active retention holsters.  Not so for civilians carrying concealed. 

I'd love it if they tried to mandate which holsters are legal for concealed carry.  It would be challenged faster than the 7rd mag limits in NY.   

We all know why there are all these BS restrictions to apply for CCW permit.

Horrible, Horrible people running this f**ked up communist state.

Criminalizing and oppressing the law-abiding people of Hawaii while the criminals run amok.

You guys are really going to go through all this crap, along with giving them permission to dig into every private aspect of your life?

45 minutes with a shrink?  Shrinks are not cheap by the hour.

Do Hawaii polices have to go through this?

At the rate things are descending into chaos it’s probably a matter of months until a sparkly toothed micro warlord is using the chief’s skull for a chalice



I’ll probably put the shrink money towards something useful like body armor for when 911 is just a busy signal

I'd love it if they tried to mandate which holsters are legal for concealed carry.  It would be challenged faster than the 7rd mag limits in NY.   

HPD approved level 2 conceal carry holster

a 45 min session with a mental health pro?
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/08/29/kaisers-mental-health-professionals-plan-strike-they-grapple-with-staffing-shortages/

We all know why there are all these BS restrictions to apply for CCW permit.

Horrible, Horrible people running this f**ked up communist state.

Criminalizing and oppressing the law-abiding people of Hawaii while the criminals run amok.

wHY dOnT wE jUsT mOvE If wE dONt liKe tHe RuLes 🥴🤓

You guys are really going to go through all this crap, along with giving them permission to dig into every private aspect of your life?

45 minutes with a shrink?  Shrinks are not cheap by the hour.

Do Hawaii polices have to go through this?

I’d rather be able to carry my gun and defend myself with a little irritating/ inconvenient red tape until it’s challenged in court, than say fRiCk it and not carry a gun… or face a felony + removed gun rights + guaranteed prison time

Let us know how either not carrying or carrying w/o a permit goes for you with your next police interaction


- OR -

You’re expecting communist Hawaii to give a flying F about our rights and wants because they’re scared, uneducated, and ignorant morons?

Yeah, rather deal with the slight inconvenience but still be able to carry without losing the right or my freedom until it’s had it’s day in court. Either can deal with it or not

HPD approved level 2 conceal carry holster

I can’t find the version that’s shorts friendly. Some help please?

At the rate things are descending into chaos it’s probably a matter of months until a sparkly toothed micro warlord is using the chief’s skull for a chalice



I’ll probably put the shrink money towards something useful like body armor for when 911 is just a busy signal

Already got armor so just gonna buy another pew pew

Already got armor so just gonna buy another pew pew

I'm thinking it's about time to buy a boat ....

wHY dOnT wE jUsT mOvE If wE dONt liKe tHe RuLes 🥴🤓

Viable option and I'm sure some people will do this.  I plan to stay and fight these asshats that think they can circumvent a SCOTUS decision.

Viable option and I'm sure some people will do this.  I plan to stay and fight these asshats that think they can circumvent a SCOTUS decision.

Viable option and I'm sure some people will do this.  I plan to stay and fight these asshats that think they can successfully circumvent a SCOTUS decision.

FIFY

Of course they have that conviction because they have successfully circumvented the Constitution on dozens of issues for the past 50 years.

Oh, and f*ck them. The whole lot of 'em.

After spending the weekend reviewing the posting, here's my whole take

1)  They are trying to DELAY us getting our concealed!  I think they want to wait for the Legislature to be back in session aka Jan 2023

2)  Gee I guess the only place you can attend classes is Private Ranges...AKA Kokohead will be closed OCT and Mayb Nov?

3)  Level 2 holster.  Gee didnt the 2nd amendment talk about that? hmmmm

4)   45 Minutes to talk with a Doctor or Shrink?  hmmm my doctor only sees me for 15 minutes max....

Well everyone:  Good Luck!

Aloha!

After spending the weekend reviewing the posting, here's my whole take

1)  They are trying to DELAY us getting our concealed!  I think they want to wait for the Legislature to be back in session aka Jan 2023

2)  Gee I guess the only place you can attend classes is Private Ranges...AKA Kokohead will be closed OCT and Mayb Nov?

3)  Level 2 holster.  Gee didnt the 2nd amendment talk about that? hmmmm

4)   45 Minutes to talk with a Doctor or Shrink?  hmmm my doctor only sees me for 15 minutes max....

Well everyone:  Good Luck!

Aloha!

I think this also.  Their first strategy is to delay.  Then when the legislature convenes they will draft a package similar to Kalifornia and Neuw Yawk.

Hawaii, Kalifornia, and Neuw Yawk might as well be considered sister states.  In my mind they are more like the 3 Stooges of Liberal Retardedness.

After spending the weekend reviewing the posting, here's my whole take

1)  They are trying to DELAY us getting our concealed!  I think they want to wait for the Legislature to be back in session aka Jan 2023

2)  Gee I guess the only place you can attend classes is Private Ranges...AKA Kokohead will be closed OCT and Mayb Nov?

3)  Level 2 holster.  Gee didnt the 2nd amendment talk about that? hmmmm

4)   45 Minutes to talk with a Doctor or Shrink?  hmmm my doctor only sees me for 15 minutes max....

Well everyone:  Good Luck!

Aloha!

I wouldn't hold my breath!

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I wouldn't hold my breath!

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Everything we do today is for the next generation of gun owners. Thats the way I look at it.

Since Hawaii is behind these states too..

For those who haven’t done it. Go to the HPD website and check out the proposed changes.
It’s ridiculous and super hard to decipher.
Is the Chief really allowed to make up “laws”on his own ?

At least no what-the-Fawk waiver.

Just every other fawkin thing under the sun plus the kitchen sink.

Zippz, hope you and London can school on some things at the public “hearing”
Mahalo for all you and HIFICO do. (Again any member here who is not a member of HIFICO I shake my head.)

from page 19 of the pdf file from HPD:

(10) If the applicant has lived outside of Hawaii for more than 60 days within the last
five years, documentation as set forth in subsection (b).
(11) A non-refundable fee of $10.00, or, if higher, the maximum amount permitted by
State law for the License and any background check or other processing fees.
(12) Any other forms prescribed by the Department of the Attorney General or the
Honolulu Police Department required to complete the background check and
mental health screening required by law.
(b) Every applicant who lived outside of Hawaii for more than 60 days within the last
five years shall provide mental health information as follows:
(1) Mental health records from the health department of every state, province, or
equivalent governmental unit where the applicant lived for more than 60 days
within the previous five years, to be sent directly to the Honolulu Police
Department from the governmental entity. Applicants who, within the previous
five years, were stationed outside the United States due to federal government
service shall have mental health records sent to the Honolulu Police Department
from the relevant federal governmental entity, but need not obtain records from
the foreign government; or
(2) Certification from a physician, psychologist, or psychiatrist, licensed to practice
in Hawaii and completed no earlier than 90 days before submission of the
application, attesting to the applicant’s mental fitness to carry a firearm, provided
that the physician, psychologist, or psychiatrist shall personally evaluate the
applicant for no less than 45 minutes before so attesting.
(c) Every applicant shall certify that, when the firearm is carried on the applicant’s
person, the firearm shall be carried using a Type 2 or higher holster.
(d) This section shall not apply to Private Detectives, Detectives, Investigators, and
Guards, who shall follow the procedures set forth in section 15-19. [Eff and comp
] (Auth: HRS § 134-9; RCH § 6-1604(d)) (Imp: HRS § 134-9)

under section b number 2 it says if you have lived outside of Hawaii for more than 60 days within the past 5 years, then you need to see a doctor to get a clearance letter
so it appears to me that if you have not lived outside of Hawaii for 60 days within the past 5 years, then you do not need a letter from the doctor
do you guys agree with me? or correct me if I'm wrong