Hurry up with those permits Chief (Read 101070 times)

drck1000

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #320 on: August 31, 2022, 12:27:00 PM »
And our kupuna.  Who gets preyed upon the most by criminals?  The dude who looks like he can bench press a Hemi engine or the 68 year old tata, obasan, or gmaw?  Criminals are only going to learn when their “prey” claps them with the .38 they keep in their purse.
Exactly, and exactly the folks that need firearms to protect themselves from disparity of, well, everything except wisdom. 

punaperson

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #321 on: August 31, 2022, 12:48:07 PM »
Discriminating against the disabled ?  :wtf:
I'm a little surprised there isn't already a "rule" prohibiting anyone with a disability from even applying, much less being granted a license. Wouldn't someone with a gun in public who is not fully in command of all their physical abilities be a danger to public safety?

I'm guessing that's the way they think, but rather than say it and face possible backlash, they just set up the "proficiency test" to screen out all such people.

changemyoil66

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #322 on: August 31, 2022, 01:01:46 PM »
I've never fired out of my weak hand.  I'd bet a lot of people contemplating CCW carry haven't fired from their weak hand.

We're not commandos.  We are everyday citizens wanting to protect ourselves and our loved ones.  Guess we gotta go train now with weak hand now just to make these asshats happy. :grrr:

Oh and how the f**k are we supposed to do that?  They put all these "standards" we have to meet, yet KHSC's rules and regulations prohibit and bans these types of training.

F**kn  A$$h*les.

When shooting 1 handed, I'm more accurate with my support side than strong side. Something about knowing the support side sucks, so you FOCUS more. I've heard this is common with a lot of people.  But what does suck about support side shooting is that it's much slower than strong side. Like when rapid firing or engaging multiple targets.

Rocky

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #323 on: September 01, 2022, 01:16:22 PM »
You and your imagination.

And physical capabilities was another aspect that I was thinking about.  Where that could be up to discretion of the instructor to determine capability.  How to test discretion?
No problem, I'll just sign myself off ! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Quote from: QUIETShooter on August 31, 2022, 11:28:19 AM
I've never fired out of my weak hand.  I'd bet a lot of people contemplating CCW carry haven't fired from their weak hand.

Before the accident, I did practice support side with pistol and rifle but now I don't as I know my "limits"
At first I tried but realized it was a BAD idea.   :oops: :shake: :shake: :shake:
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QUIETShooter

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #324 on: September 01, 2022, 03:16:34 PM »
No problem, I'll just sign myself off ! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Quote from: QUIETShooter on August 31, 2022, 11:28:19 AM
I've never fired out of my weak hand.  I'd bet a lot of people contemplating CCW carry haven't fired from their weak hand.

Before the accident, I did practice support side with pistol and rifle but now I don't as I know my "limits"
At first I tried but realized it was a BAD idea.   :oops: :shake: :shake: :shake:

When I was still working a co-worker dropped a 1" EMT pipe from an 8' ladder unto the backside of my palm of my weak hand.  It cut 90% of the tendon that controls my pinkie.

I had to get surgery to re-attach the tendon.  What was funny to me at the time was the Doc said he has to knock me out to do the surgery because he didn't want me to twitch or move while he stitched the tendon.  One move he said and the tendon if severed completely would re-coil like a spring up to my elbow.

So anyway, I lost 28% movement in my pinkie. 

Yeah, I agree with you.  Something tells me I need to be super careful and take it slow if I'm gonna try and train to shoot with my weak hand. :shaka:
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Rocky

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #325 on: September 01, 2022, 04:03:39 PM »
When I was still working a co-worker dropped a 1" EMT pipe from an 8' ladder unto the backside of my palm of my weak hand.  It cut 90% of the tendon that controls my pinkie.

I had to get surgery to re-attach the tendon.  What was funny to me at the time was the Doc said he has to knock me out to do the surgery because he didn't want me to twitch or move while he stitched the tendon.  One move he said and the tendon if severed completely would re-coil like a spring up to my elbow.

So anyway, I lost 28% movement in my pinkie. 

Yeah, I agree with you.  Something tells me I need to be super careful and take it slow if I'm gonna try and train to shoot with my weak hand. :shaka:


Yeah, I got feeling from the tip of the scar to the pinky, everything else is constantly funny bone action.
Don't even risk it anymore.

I don't even risk wip'n muh butt with that hand !  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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QUIETShooter

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #326 on: September 01, 2022, 05:24:44 PM »

Yeah, I got feeling from the tip of the scar to the pinky, everything else is constantly funny bone action.
Don't even risk it anymore.

I don't even risk wip'n muh butt with that hand !  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Damn, Bro, that injury makes mine look like a paper cut...... :worship:
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

robtmc

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #327 on: September 01, 2022, 07:25:41 PM »
I've never fired out of my weak hand.  I'd bet a lot of people contemplating CCW carry haven't fired from their weak hand.

My strong hand started out, switched to weak hand some years bask for eye dominance.  Same-same with rifle.

Certainly was not planning on some future big government diktat designed to slow permits down with obstacles to overcome.

I am not considering jumping through their hoops.  No need in the state I hang out in some of the time, and if stuff goes that sideways here, Ainokea MF'rs

robtmc

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #328 on: September 01, 2022, 07:32:06 PM »
next thing the city and county will do is in order to get a driver's license, you'll need to qualify on a Formula 1 sanctioned race track, timed.  and you'll need R comp tires

I would be happy with a test for reaction time and decision making for driver license.   

stangzilla

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #329 on: September 01, 2022, 08:01:19 PM »
I would be happy with a test for reaction time and decision making for driver license.

At a stop light, I like to get the hole shot
Sleep on the tree, I'm gone! 😉

punaperson

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #330 on: September 02, 2022, 07:46:43 AM »
 I know it doesn't make any difference about anything, but...

On Sept. 1, H[awaii]PD released a media statement that included the following:

"Hawai‘i Police Department announces that effective August 31, 2022, at 4:30 p.m., Deputy Police Chief Kenneth Bugado began serving as Acting Police Chief until a new police chief is selected by the Police Commission."

Today, Sept. 2, the HPD page has a listing with photo of the HPD chief of police. It's still Ferreira.

Just another indication of the incompetence of the people telling us what our rights are and aren't. It's disgusting.

PS. I just submitted an official UIPA request to HPD asking them for detailed documentation of the specifics of their firearms proficiency testing for both uniformed officers carrying unconcealed and plain clothes officers carrying concealed. I'll let you know what I get.

RSN172

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #331 on: September 02, 2022, 08:31:26 AM »

PS. I just submitted an official UIPA request to HPD asking them for detailed documentation of the specifics of their firearms proficiency testing for both uniformed officers carrying unconcealed and plain clothes officers carrying concealed. I'll let you know what I get.
You will probably get a MYOB or NOYB letter. Or they might even be nicer and say disclosing that information will compromise the security of the force.
Happily living in Puna

changemyoil66

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #332 on: September 02, 2022, 08:47:15 AM »
I would be happy with a test for reaction time and decision making for driver license.

They had this for the tracks at Campbell.

Rocky

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #333 on: September 02, 2022, 10:36:53 AM »
They had this for the tracks at Campbell.
That was Looooong ago.
Back in late "86" maybe early "87" I rewired the Christmas tree some of the box  lights before the reopening.
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bingbong

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #334 on: September 02, 2022, 01:04:31 PM »

NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, pursuant to Hawai‘i Revised Statutes chapter 91, of a public hearing to be held by the Honolulu Police Department (“HPD”) for the purpose of adopting Rules governing Firearm Permits and Licenses.

HRS 91-1 Definitions

"Agency" means each state or county board, commission, department, or
officer authorized by law to make rules or to adjudicate contested cases,
except those in the legislative or judicial branches.

"Rule" means each agency statement of general or particular applicability and
future effect that implements, interprets, or prescribes law or policy, or
describes the organization, procedure, or practice requirements of any
agency. The term does not include regulations concerning only the internal
management of an agency and not affecting private rights of or procedures
available to the public, nor does the term include declaratory rulings issued
pursuant to section 91-8, nor intra-agency memoranda.

HPD is not allowed to make rules that affect the legislative or judicial branches.
Rules can not affect private rights.

I dispute HPD authority to make rules governing Firearm Permits and Licenses.
I declare HPD is in violation of HRS 91.

To keep and bear arms is a civil right that does not fall under HRS 91 where it can be infringed upon by rules made by HPD.

bingbong

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #335 on: September 02, 2022, 01:17:30 PM »
HPD approved level 2 conceal carry holster



You forgot about the part where it must be welded shut and no JB weld must be TIG weld.

nickelzismoney

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #336 on: September 02, 2022, 05:08:08 PM »
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, pursuant to Hawai‘i Revised Statutes chapter 91, of a public hearing to be held by the Honolulu Police Department (“HPD”) for the purpose of adopting Rules governing Firearm Permits and Licenses.

HRS 91-1 Definitions

"Agency" means each state or county board, commission, department, or
officer authorized by law to make rules or to adjudicate contested cases,
except those in the legislative or judicial branches.

"Rule" means each agency statement of general or particular applicability and
future effect that implements, interprets, or prescribes law or policy, or
describes the organization, procedure, or practice requirements of any
agency. The term does not include regulations concerning only the internal
management of an agency and not affecting private rights of or procedures
available to the public, nor does the term include declaratory rulings issued
pursuant to section 91-8, nor intra-agency memoranda.

HPD is not allowed to make rules that affect the legislative or judicial branches.
Rules can not affect private rights.

I dispute HPD authority to make rules governing Firearm Permits and Licenses.
I declare HPD is in violation of HRS 91.

To keep and bear arms is a civil right that does not fall under HRS 91 where it can be infringed upon by rules made by HPD.

I’ll sign that shit too
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I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

RSN172

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #338 on: September 02, 2022, 06:49:55 PM »
Violent crime needs to go up 1000%. That way HPD will show what a fine job they are doing in preventing the crime, protecting you and most of all, why you don't need to carry a gun for protection.
Happily living in Puna

nickelzismoney

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #339 on: September 02, 2022, 08:41:59 PM »
Violent crime needs to go up 1000%. That way HPD will show what a fine job they are doing in preventing the crime, protecting you and most of all, why you don't need to carry a gun for protection.

My ass will stay home with the pews so I could care less. Whatever gets us our rights actually enforced and respected. Home and work sounds fine to me
“No matter how much it hurts, how dark it gets, or how hard you fall… you are never out of the fight.” - Marcus Luttrel

"The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything." - Albert Einstein