I thought we went over this and you posted the water bottle image cause I asked about KHSC not allowing human targets.

Zipps said
"HPD might allow the instructor to select the target.  If not then my guess on the target used is the same one HPD uses which uses 5 point federal silhouette qual target.  Though it's not a certified NRA target. 
So i n my eyes, question is still not answered.
Anybody confirm what a "Type II" holster is ?

Zipps said
"HPD might allow the instructor to select the target.  If not then my guess on the target used is the same one HPD uses which uses 5 point federal silhouette qual target.  Though it's not a certified NRA target.  Likely a mistake.
So i n my eyes, question is still not answered.
Anybody confirm what a "Type II" holster is ?
Or is that "Likely a mistake" also ? 

Thanks for clarifying.  I thought the image of a bottle was funny too.

If anybody interested in seeing the Hawaii County course of fire being run....
Dave @SDStactical he's a BI guy in Cali
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If anybody interested in seeing the Hawaii County course of fire being run....
Dave @SDStactical he's a BI guy in Cali

CibJ-0MtM9y/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

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That guys a pro shooter and still missed 2 for time. Regular citizens aren’t gonna pass along with 99% of police either.

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That guys a pro shooter and still missed 2 for time. Regular citizens aren’t gonna pass along with 99% of police either.

And the sad and most infuriating part of this whole BS is that the SCOTUS decision was based on REGULAR CITIZEN'S 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS BEING VIOLATED

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/07/31/police-arrest-suspect-accused-beating-elderly-man-apparent-road-rage-attack-laie/

No charges filed in road rage attack caught on camera.

No consequences = more crime

Would charges be filed if there was video of the 70yo successfully defending himself with a ccw?

Hopefully Laie is a small community and goin get some karma for the guy

if was my grandpa, guarantee that guy going get some "tax returns" if you know what I mean....

I had recently applied and was then rejected for a CCW license.
I was preparing a police commission complaint when I realized the bastard that
rejected my request was retiring.
I submitted a letter to the comission recommending that in their upcoming
search for a new police chief, they only accept 2A friendly cops that uphold
SCOTUS rulings, rather than the scum we here have been stuck with that think
our rights are at their discretion.
BI police comission number 22-08.
It is on their agenda for the Oct 21 0900 meeting.
We seem to be impotent to deal with bad cops, maybe we can hire good ones
to start with.
 

Maui has issued 9 CCW's so far. 1 is LEO retired cause Star Protection Agency was dissolved. So the sole company to administer the LEOSA exam is gone so no retired LEO can get their LEOSA permit. 6 are not former LEO. Guess now retired LEO's might care what us regular folk have to go thru.

New Maui chief is from Vegas and is also cleaning house.  Many of their older PD retired shortly after he came on board. Which is 1 reason why Maui has a shortage.

Maybe Maui chief no like get involved in  a lawsuit for delaying/denying CCW's or actually reads/understands the SCOTUS ruling and Constitution.  This is a shock to me because their city counsel is very anti 2a by the way they were hosting their hearing on allowing tasers. It wasn't until a lawsuit was filed that they had their hearing and they stated "IDK why this lawsuit is filed, we were going to make a ruling on it soon anyways". Sure they were. It was only like 3 months after the law took effect and like 10 months after Ige signed the bill into law. Then 2 weeks after the lawsuit was filed, they magically had their hearing on tasers.

Maui has issued 9 CCW's so far. 1 is LEO retired cause Star Protection Agency was dissolved. So the sole company to administer the LEOSA exam is gone so no retired LEO can get their LEOSA permit. 6 are not former LEO. Guess now retired LEO's might care what us regular folk have to go thru.

New Maui chief is from Vegas and is also cleaning house.  Many of their older PD retired shortly after he came on board. Which is 1 reason why Maui has a shortage.

Maybe Maui chief no like get involved in  a lawsuit for delaying/denying CCW's or actually reads/understands the SCOTUS ruling and Constitution.  This is a shock to me because their city counsel is very anti 2a by the way they were hosting their hearing on allowing tasers. It wasn't until a lawsuit was filed that they had their hearing and they stated "IDK why this lawsuit is filed, we were going to make a ruling on it soon anyways". Sure they were. It was only like 3 months after the law took effect and like 10 months after Ige signed the bill into law. Then 2 weeks after the lawsuit was filed, they magically had their hearing on tasers.

They're doing the gimme right now to show that "sure we're issuing".... But.... Maybe more like they know the legislature is going to pull out all the stops to make the process burdensome and unachievable in the initial bills. Then "miraculously" in a show to appease the masses they will pull most of the crap, but still make it hard to get and make most places sensitive and a no carry zone (punishable of course) unless it is posted that guns are ok in that establishment. And since most people don't really care they won't follow the proceedings and then won't put up pro-2A signage. Thus... we fucked.

They're doing the gimme right now to show that "sure we're issuing".... But.... Maybe more like they know the legislature is going to pull out all the stops to make the process burdensome and unachievable in the initial bills. Then "miraculously" in a show to appease the masses they will pull most of the crap, but still make it hard to get and make most places sensitive and a no carry zone (punishable of course) unless it is posted that guns are ok in that establishment. And since most people don't really care they won't follow the proceedings and then won't put up pro-2A signage. Thus... we fucked.

If the signage thing happens, then I plan on going door to door and speak to the businesses.  But more on this later if it happens. Got more stuff to focus on right now.

   Am I restricted to only 1 submission of testimony ?

 

  Was/is/am writing testimony for this and it's getting kinda "long" (a.k.a. TMTR).
I know if they see this big ol'e letter they wont read it completely.
Thinking of breaking it up into several letters of testimony.
   Not only will it be a shorter read, but it will produce more in "volume" of letters received. 

   Am I restricted to only 1 submission of testimony ?

 

I would say when submitting testimony, make it so the reader wants to read it. Write stuff to grab their attention like personal XP.  If people just put "the 2a says this..." or "the constitution violation", then it just gets skimmed over.  I mean you can add those, but don't solely base your testimony on that.

There is nothing that says you cannot submit more than 1. But again, if it's the same format, they may see the name and just skip over it or wrost, it gets ID"s as spam due to multiple submission email address.  IMO I would do 1 testimony submission, even though it's long. Use a bigger font and bullet/number marks to show different sections, basically make the testimony also friendly to the eyes. Not just 1 huge paragraph with small size 10 font.

ZIpps even included pics with some of his testimony (Taser testimony).

  Was/is/am writing testimony for this and it's getting kinda "long" (a.k.a. TMTR).
I know if they see this big ol'e letter they wont read it completely.
Thinking of breaking it up into several letters of testimony.
   Not only will it be a shorter read, but it will produce more in "volume" of letters received. 

   Am I restricted to only 1 submission of testimony ?

 

I would shorten it to this;
I refer to HRS 134-9, which the US SCOTUS has deemed unconstitutional.
I should not have to justify why I can exercise a right to anybody. The SCOTUS
agrees with me.
There is no such thing as “reasonable” restraints on rights.
There is however a pleathora of laws concerning what occurs if your exercise of your
rights hurts others. That is the balance we agree to. That is commonly called civilization.
Not a single law you pass will prevent a harm to somebody, not a one.
By definition criminals don't obey laws.
I suggest funding gun safety and skill courses,  public shooting ranges,  and losing the Us V Them
attitude would go very far in bang for your buck.
Until you repeal the 2A every time a Democrat gets elected, guns sales are going to go up in volume,
best deal with that, it is your reality.
 

got this pic of the target that HPD uses
was from HNN report on the graduating class of HPD last night
hopefully we use the same target.  doesn't look too difficult to hit out to 15 yds

Human silhouettes!

The Horror!  The Horror!

Show up with one of those at KHSC, they are HPD approved after all.

Human silhouettes!

The Horror!  The Horror!

Show up with one of those at KHSC, they are HPD approved after all.

HPD and C&C Honolulu are separate entities.

The Shmoo