got this pic of the target that HPD uses
was from HNN report on the graduating class of HPD last night
hopefully we use the same target.  doesn't look too difficult to hit out to 15 yds

Law Enforcement Firearms Qualification
State        Rounds   Target   Min (yrd)   Max (yrd)   Passing %
Hawaii   50                B-21         3               15            100%   

I got a response to my UIPA request emailed 7:35 AM, September 2, 2022.

They (HPD - Hawaii county) had gone past the 10 working day maximum to send a response, so I wrote and told them unless I got a response within 24 hours I would be filing a complaint with the UIPA office.

Here was my UIPA request:

This is an official UIPA request.

Please provide documents detailing the full and complete firearms proficiency test specifics, including scoring requirements, frequency, etc., for both uniformed officers carrying unconcealed and plain clothes officers carrying concealed.

Here is their response:

"Agency must consult with another person to determine whether the record is exempt from disclosure under Chapter 92F, HRS."

Bullsh*t. Bullsh*t, And more bullsh*t. It'll never end.

Oh, and Maui PD responded to my UIPA request for all information regarding the issuance of that first CCW license, EXCEPT, I MADE CLEAR, I AM NOT SEEKING ANY INFORMATION THAT COULD LEAD TO THE IDENTITY OF THE LICENSEE.

Here's the actual request:

This is an official UIPA request.

Please provide me with all documents, electronic or paper, related to the application, consideration, evaluation and granting of a carry license by Maui Police Department (MPD) as recently reported by KHON news outlet.

https://www.khon2.com/local-news/maui-issues-first-concealed-carry-permit?utm_source=khon_app&utm_medium=social&utm_content=share-link

PLEASE NOTE: I AM NOT SEEKING THE IDENTITY OF THE INDIVIDUAL GRANTED THE LICENSE NOR ANY PERSONAL INFORMATION THAT MIGHT LEAD TO THE IDENTITY OF SAID LICENSEE. THE NAME, ADDRESS, ETC. OF THE APPLICANT MAY BE REDACTED.

Their response:

"Records requested. HRS 92F-13; HRS 92F-14; Hawaii State Constitution; HRS 134-3 Government records which, if disclosed, would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy; Government records which, pursuant to state or federal law including an order of any state or federal court, are protected from disclosure.

Bullsh*t. Bullsh*t. And more bullsh*t.

Fucking commie bastards

HPD and C&C Honolulu are separate entities.

Duh, that was not the point at all.

HPD are City employed though!

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The Chef is saying October now, which means the hearing is probably just for show and the rules have already been decided

https://www.civilbeat.org/beat/hpd-chief-expects-to-issue-first-concealed-carry-gun-permits-in-october/

The Chef is saying October now, which means the hearing is probably just for show and the rules have already been decided

https://www.civilbeat.org/beat/hpd-chief-expects-to-issue-first-concealed-carry-gun-permits-in-october/

Going to be difficult for those in a lower income tier.  Kokohead is closed for probably the end of the year, and one would have to spend big bucks to train and execute testing at one of the two indoor ranges.

Wouldn't be surprised the Chief issues permits to inner circle individuals that got the live fire portion taken care of by means that 99% of the rest of us do not have access to.

My conspiracy theory sickness sees this as an accomplishment of two things:

1)  It misleadingly shows the public that he is complying with the SCOTUS decision by starting to
     issue permits.

2) It restricts the public's ability to get permits due to very few avenues available to get the live fire
     portion done.
    The public range is closed and the few (2?) indoor ranges is cost prohibitive for most regular folks
     not to mention these ranges are small with not many lanes available, creating a backlog and
     demand.

I'm pretty sure the state of Hawaii is very happy with this current restrictive set of rules to acquire a permit and the limited avenues to even try to get a live fire qualification test.

My conspiracy theory:  All part of "the plan".

Wouldn't be surprised the Chief issues permits to inner circle individuals that got the live fire portion taken care of by means that 99% of the rest of us do not have access to.

My conspiracy theory sickness sees this as an accomplishment of two things:

1)  It misleadingly shows the public that he is complying with the SCOTUS decision by starting to
     issue permits.

2) It restricts the public's ability to get permits due to very few avenues available to get the live fire
     portion done.
    The public range is closed and the few (2?) indoor ranges is cost prohibitive for most regular folks
     not to mention these ranges are small with not many lanes available, creating a backlog and
     demand.

I'm pretty sure the state of Hawaii is very happy with this current restrictive set of rules to acquire a permit and the limited avenues to even try to get a live fire qualification test.

My conspiracy theory:  All part of "the plan".

I'm sure these indoors will also charge the NRA instructor being there who's certifying your qual as well.  Or totally deny them and use their own inhouse ones and charge $350 for a "class".

I was reading the proposed rules more and it actually is better.  The OG one which has a line struck thru it shows that the test mimics the armored car test.  This means 25 yards is added in.  The revision shows much less than that.  And the OG one says HPD must administer the exam.  The revision states that the instructor must be certified by the State of Hawaii or HPD, which means private instructors are allowed.

I was reading the proposed rules more and it actually is better.  The OG one which has a line struck thru it shows that the test mimics the armored car test.  This means 25 yards is added in.  The revision shows much less than that.  And the OG one says HPD must administer the exam.  The revision states that the instructor must be certified by the State of Hawaii or HPD, which means private instructors are allowed.

Certified instructors? By State of Hawaii and HPD. Bruh 

I'm sure these indoors will also charge the NRA instructor being there who's certifying your qual as well.  Or totally deny them and use their own inhouse ones and charge $350 for a "class".

Wow!  That's quite an expense and that's just for the live fire qualification part.  Then there is the "requirement" to purchase an active retention type/level 2 holster.  And the cost of the permit itself which according to HPD rules require a separate permit for each gun to be carried.

Then the rule of permit only good for one year.  It seems a potential CCW permit holder's life will be centered around constantly submitting documents (redundant ones, lol!) and taking classes and tests just to exercise 2a rights in Hawaii. 

These costs itself discriminate against low income and fixed income people.  Which is unconstitutional if these factors become the main reason they won't be able to carry.

The State of New Hampshire has roughly the same amount of people as Hawaii.  New Hampshire is a constitutional carry state and is rated number 2 as having the lowest crime rate in the nation.

By the way, these things I mentioned are some points I included in my written testimony, among some other things.  But I really focused on low-income and fixed income people and how they will be impacted by these "rules".  I also made a correlation that many seniors fall into this demographic and I emphasized that seniors are the main target of criminals.

I am proof-reading my testimony and checking it for clarity and context and plan to submit it tomorrow.

The good ol' symbolic bend the knee as part of COF.

Article run that Logan intends to sign the CCWs by the end of October.  So the hearing for the new rules happen on 10/4. Lets assume they make zero changes and they take into affect that day.  Then any person who wishes to be qualified to administer the exams will have to get approved by either HPD or the State of Hawaii.  The instructor also has to submit what their examination (written) will be and this too has to be approved by either party.

Then the exam/class needs to take place because you cannot use the HI handgun safety class since more is required as stated in the chiefs rules.  Then the shooting portion has to take place and we all know KHSC is closed.  So to schedule an indoor with permission will have to take place.  And then all submitted to HPD, assuming the existing CCW app is still valid and no new form is needed or needs to be redone.

We have seen how long FFL's wishing to be approved to sell Tasers took.  I'm sure the instructors will be approved within a few days of 10/4.

Logan is lying for the 2nd time about when he plans to approve CCWs.  He is blowing more smoke up peoples asses so they don't get too upset at the delays.

Lets say for arguments sake he will just sign off on the CCW's as is and nothing further is needed despite it being in the new rules.  This means he could have signed them back in July.  This is what corruption looks like.

This morning HNN reported that Logan " thought that CCW licenses would NEVER be issued in the state of Hawaii."  Then the report goes on about since SCOTUS ruled in favor of right to carry, HPD has to implement a CCW program in place.

Hard to believe that the CCW program in Hawaii will be fair, honest, and non-discriminatory.  And most importantly un-biased to personal opinion.

HNN also reported that Logan plans to issue permits in October.  Maybe to his friends, family and mommy but in my opinion the common citizen will be waiting a long, long time.

shows how corrupt this state is
they've had the process for CCW for many years, but just did not hand out any permits bc they never planned on giving any out
I applied years ago and when I asked to apply for CCW the officer behind the widow told me, "what you going apply for?  you only going get denied." so all the cops know that they don't issue any CCW to civilians in Hawaii.  which is totally unconstitutional

Police chief Logan and all the gun hating politicians need to follow the law and the rulings of the courts, and not follow their own political agenda.
that's what they are sworn to do
but we all know better, that they are self serving BS artists

Is each county’s CCW application criteria and firearms qualification test identical to each other?  If not, why not?  I would think that having dissimilar standards would open the counties and possibly the state to another drawn-out lawsuit (then again maybe that’s what they want).

Also, does the Hawaii County (and any other county) firearms qualification test require an emergency reload?  The video showed an emergency reload during the 3rd course of fire after 15 shots were fired.  What about the 10-round magazine limit or if someone is using a 5-shot revolver?

Is each county’s CCW application criteria and firearms qualification test identical to each other?  If not, why not?  I would think that having dissimilar standards would open the counties and possibly the state to another drawn-out lawsuit (then again maybe that’s what they want).

Also, does the Hawaii County (and any other county) firearms qualification test require an emergency reload?  The video showed an emergency reload during the 3rd course of fire after 15 shots were fired.  What about the 10-round magazine limit or if someone is using a 5-shot revolver?

Each county is slightly diff. Kauai and BI are similar.  Maui is diff and Oahu looks to be diff.  Logan did say on radio that he got together with all the chiefs to make sure they are on the same page.  Apparently not. Esp since Maui has already issued 9 permits as of 2 weeks ago.

Other counties didn't have a hearing to give input to their rules. So make sure you write and if can, show up for Oahu's one.

So, what is the list of requirements he came up with or is it more of a moving tatget?

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