So, what is the list of requirements he came up with or is it more of a moving tatget?

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Its on the rules. Go pass the security/armored car type info.

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Its on the rules. Go pass the security/armored car type info.

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Do I get my get out of jail card if I pass go? It seems like they are expanding it or keep adding to it!

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Good shooting.  Now can he get his grandmother to pass the test?

Each county is slightly diff. Kauai and BI are similar.  Maui is diff and Oahu looks to be diff.  Logan did say on radio that he got together with all the chiefs to make sure they are on the same page.  Apparently not. Esp since Maui has already issued 9 permits as of 2 weeks ago.

Other counties didn't have a hearing to give input to their rules. So make sure you write and if can, show up for Oahu's one.

"Other counties didn't have a hearing to give input to their rules. So make sure you write and if can, show up for Oahu's one."

The BI don't need no stinking hearings, the Democrats already know what is best for you.
My only comment would be,
" Since when do I have to justify to anybody my natural born rights?"
 

Good shooting.  Now can he get his grandmother to pass the test?

That is exactly what I was thinking. Looking at the comments, seems the guy supports the somewhat strict test. I’m all for proficiency and believe responsible people will practice and get good. However, all that is NOT in the 2A

Proficiency, knowledge, training.  Confidence in your firearm(s) and what it can and cannot do.  Confidence in what you can do and cannot do as a concealed carry citizen.

I believe this is more important.  Just as a law-abiding citizen will make the commitment to responsible and safe gun ownership, this same citizen will make the commitment to be a responsible CCW holder through classes and training.

LE and the asshat politicians just need to distinguish us from the bad guys.  They either cannot or don't want to.  I tend to believe the latter.

That is exactly what I was thinking. Looking at the comments, seems the guy supports the somewhat strict test. I’m all for proficiency and believe responsible people will practice and get good. However, all that is NOT in the 2A

IDK if people know who he is, but he recently moved out of HI.  He does stippling as a business and I think some cerakote.  I'm going to assume he moved away due to HI's problems and 2a violations being one of them.

Each county is slightly diff. Kauai and BI are similar.  Maui is diff and Oahu looks to be diff.  Logan did say on radio that he got together with all the chiefs to make sure they are on the same page.  Apparently not. Esp since Maui has already issued 9 permits as of 2 weeks ago.

If the BI and Kauai policies were given by the AG, then it's possible Logan already decided he's going with the same policy.  Good in a way that it gets rid of a lot of the HPD crap, but the shooting test is difficult for most people.

For someone taking a CCW class with a little extra practice, I think less than 25% could pass the test.  There's some people, elderly and disabled, and some setups like airweight revolvers, that can't pass the test at all.

If the BI and Kauai policies were given by the AG, then it's possible Logan already decided he's going with the same policy.  Good in a way that it gets rid of a lot of the HPD crap, but the shooting test is difficult for most people.

I'm referring specifically to the shooting qual, Oahu's one in the Chiefs rules is much different from BI/Kauai. Oahu's one is do-able with minimal practice.  BI/Kauai would be much harder, even with moderate practice.

So there is no way "they're all on the same page" like Logan stated since the un-passible qual is a huge part of the process.

Not that the counties or the state will take this into consideration, but here is the firearm qualification standards for Nevada:

NEVADA CONCEALED HANDGUN TRAINING STANDARDS
Revised October 1, 2013 by the NVSCA

Nevada CCW Firearms Qualification

A total of 30 rounds for 6 shot or larger capacity and 25 rounds for 5 shot capacity must be fired. Firearms with less than a 5 shot capacity will have to be reloaded at each stage to comply with the 5 shot capacity standards. A minimum score of 70% is required to pass, and shall be indicated on the certificate as “Pass/Fail” only. A humanoid style target such as the B27, B21 or FBI Q shall be used.

6 Shot Capacity Course

3 yards / 6 rounds / No time limit / Freestyle stance and grip
5 yards / 12 rounds / No time limit / Freestyle stance and grip
7 yards / 12 rounds / No time limit / Freestyle stance and grip

5 Shot Capacity Course

3 yards / 5 rounds / No time limit / Freestyle stance and grip
5 yards / 10 rounds / No time limit / Freestyle stance and grip
7 yards / 10 rounds / No time limit / Freestyle stance and grip

The Nevada Sheriffs and Chiefs Association (NVSCA) establishes the minimum training standards required for the issue and renewal of carry concealed handgun permits (CCW) and the minimum standards required to become an instructor for concealed handgun permits
Authority for the NVSCA to establish these standards is provided in Nevada Revised Statute 202.3657

https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/3976e12a-da21-4fa4-b94b-5f48dff7a7b7/downloads/1cgsne841_444906.pdf?ver=1626717066502

Not that the counties or the state will take this into consideration, but here is the firearm qualification standards for Nevada:

NEVADA CONCEALED HANDGUN TRAINING STANDARDS
Revised October 1, 2013 by the NVSCA

Nevada CCW Firearms Qualification

A total of 30 rounds for 6 shot or larger capacity and 25 rounds for 5 shot capacity must be fired. Firearms with less than a 5 shot capacity will have to be reloaded at each stage to comply with the 5 shot capacity standards. A minimum score of 70% is required to pass, and shall be indicated on the certificate as “Pass/Fail” only. A humanoid style target such as the B27, B21 or FBI Q shall be used.

6 Shot Capacity Course

3 yards / 6 rounds / No time limit / Freestyle stance and grip
5 yards / 12 rounds / No time limit / Freestyle stance and grip
7 yards / 12 rounds / No time limit / Freestyle stance and grip

5 Shot Capacity Course

3 yards / 5 rounds / No time limit / Freestyle stance and grip
5 yards / 10 rounds / No time limit / Freestyle stance and grip
7 yards / 10 rounds / No time limit / Freestyle stance and grip

The Nevada Sheriffs and Chiefs Association (NVSCA) establishes the minimum training standards required for the issue and renewal of carry concealed handgun permits (CCW) and the minimum standards required to become an instructor for concealed handgun permits
Authority for the NVSCA to establish these standards is provided in Nevada Revised Statute 202.3657

https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/3976e12a-da21-4fa4-b94b-5f48dff7a7b7/downloads/1cgsne841_444906.pdf?ver=1626717066502

Per my NV ccw instructor, its very difficult to fail. Mrs. Cmo scored like 98%. This was b4 she corrected her flinch.



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Does anybody know the Maui course of fire?

Does anybody know the Maui course of fire?

Try check the MPD website.  If it's not on there, call MAGS.

That is exactly what I was thinking. Looking at the comments, seems the guy supports the somewhat strict test. I’m all for proficiency and believe responsible people will practice and get good. However, all that is NOT in the 2A

Exactly.  Was discussing the standards and the potential/proposed CCW requirements with a friend who is an NRA Instructor (and TO) for NRA courses that could meet the standards.  Who am I do determine someone's fitness or justification for defending themselves?  More "pure 2a" perspective.  That said, I know more than a few yahoos who I wouldn't trust a 'tato gun.  Some are posting on IG as "training experts", and are down right 

Constitutional carry if you really believe in 2nd amendment.

I believe Logan is under pressure from the commission, politicians, and his own personal beliefs.

Constitutional carry if you really believe in 2nd amendment.

I believe Logan is under pressure from the commission, politicians, and his own personal beliefs.

Well he bette eve a man and take his oath seriously. Or else one day when Hawaii is free finally, clowns like him will never see public office again

Does anybody know the Maui course of fire?

There is no set cof.

I know the chief will accept the NRA pistol instructor test, 16 out of 20 shots in a 6" group on the NRA target at 15 yards It's a fairly difficult test for most.

I'm going to apply with something easier to see what he'll accept.  Maybe the FBI test, which most people could pass.  Or NRA CCW test which is easier than that.

Hope the KHSC range and action bays don't take too long before opening back up again.

Not too many options for most of us here on Oahu to practice.

Don't know where the Big island guys are gonna practice.  But I guess there's a lot of "open" spaces to set up a makeshift range?

Maui has one public range I believe.  Don't know about Kaui.

There is no set cof.

I know the chief will accept the NRA pistol instructor test, 16 out of 20 shots in a 6" group on the NRA target.  It's a fairly difficult test for most.

I'm going to apply with something easier to see what he'll accept.  Maybe the FBI test, which most people could pass.  Or NRA CCW test which is easier than that.

I don't think I can pass the 16 out of 20 shots in a 6" group on an NRA target. 

There is no set cof.

I know the chief will accept the NRA pistol instructor test, 16 out of 20 shots in a 6" group on the NRA target at 15 yards It's a fairly difficult test for most.

I'm going to apply with something easier to see what he'll accept.  Maybe the FBI test, which most people could pass.  Or NRA CCW test which is easier than that.

Pretty crazy that each county is so different with the cof. I’m on Oahu but after seeing the one for big island I was a little concerned with one of the strings. They gotta figure this stuff out already.

Any qualifying test should not be more difficult than what HPD requires for their officers.  To require a citizen to equal expert level shooting is wrong.  It is like asking someone to drive a road race course in the minimum qualifying or better to get a driver's license.  Just plain stupid.