Hurry up with those permits Chief (Read 101240 times)

robtmc

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #500 on: September 24, 2022, 10:31:03 AM »
Don't know where the Big island guys are gonna practice.  But I guess there's a lot of "open" spaces to set up a makeshift range?
No, not without exposing your self to all sorts of legal liability.   Some have acreage, most do not.

Huge amounts of empty land, only two small areas within hunting reserves where you can shoot.   

RSN172

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #501 on: September 24, 2022, 12:47:25 PM »
No, not without exposing your self to all sorts of legal liability.   Some have acreage, most do not.

Huge amounts of empty land, only two small areas within hunting reserves where you can shoot.
I shoot all the time in my backyard, sometimes from my 2nd story deck which overlook the pig killing field.  I live in rural Puna, where people around me don't care if someone is shooting.
Happily living in Puna

ren

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #502 on: September 25, 2022, 08:05:55 AM »
Why you need a _____ holster

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pacwire

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #503 on: September 25, 2022, 12:41:15 PM »
Dumb Question:

If we are the "State of Hawaii" and the State AG was the "overseer" of the CCW etc, why is EACH county allowed to have different Rules?  Don't we have one Driver's License Statewide?

I curious to hear from one of the "Few" in Maui County that have been issued their CCW.....

Aloha!

 :shaka:

QUIETShooter

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #504 on: September 25, 2022, 12:53:22 PM »
Dumb Question:

If we are the "State of Hawaii" and the State AG was the "overseer" of the CCW etc, why is EACH county allowed to have different Rules?  Don't we have one Driver's License Statewide?

I curious to hear from one of the "Few" in Maui County that have been issued their CCW.....

Aloha!

 :shaka:

Not a dumb question at all.  It is the most intelligent question amongst the vast ocean of retarded-ness that the counties have fielded to this point so far.

We have one Driver's License Statewide, yet a CCW permit granted in one county is not valid in another county.  (Last I understood, even that might have changed).

But if it hasn't and I'd bet it didn't, how stupid is that? :rofl:

Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #505 on: September 25, 2022, 01:03:03 PM »
Its cause the law says chief of each county. Im sure when it was written, they were afraid of a chief who obeys the constitution. This way 1 rogue chief doesnt affect all islands.

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changemyoil66

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #506 on: September 29, 2022, 08:47:00 AM »
Update for additional info that wasn't mentioned here:

1) HPD wants to use FBI's NICS to do background checks for CCW. But this is not what the system is for, it's for gun sales only.  Which is why the FBI denied HPD earlier this year when they tried to use it to check the background of Taser sellers.  FBI said no and the Taser selling apps sat on HPD's desk until a UIPA was requested to the AG.  Then and only then HPD said what's up.  So not only would this be illegal for HPD to do, the FBI will tell them no.  So guess what, CCW apps will sit on HPD's desk until HIFICO request a UIPA/FOIA.  Will HPD amend the chiefs rules, probably not because HI passed the Taser law knowing this.  Then ignored a judges orders to have in person reg for out of state residents bringing firearms into HI. So there's that.

2) Big Island's waiver sucks, don't sign it.  There is a clause in there where you give up your attorney client privilege, right to sue and stuff like that.  This waiver is needed so BI can issue CCW.  And there's no expiration date, so once you sign it, they can use it FOREVER.  Kauai's waiver removed this bad paragraph.  I knew the waiver was bad, but not this bad.

There might be more new stuff, but I can't remember.  So someone else can post if they have more info.


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Present was DC Project and HRA as guest speakers.
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RSN172

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #507 on: September 29, 2022, 09:23:58 AM »
Ainokea permit looks better and better the older I get.
I will resign from this forum when I do, since no one here does anything illegal.
Happily living in Puna

QUIETShooter

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #508 on: September 29, 2022, 10:38:51 AM »
The Big Island waiver form is the biggest bullsh*t form ever devised by man.

Even if one is not well-versed in legalese, all it takes is average reading comprehension to realize how foolish one would be to sign it.

Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

QUIETShooter

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #509 on: September 29, 2022, 10:44:07 AM »
I think Ainokea permits are free also.  No fees required.  Use any holster you want.  Or not.

Only one caveat:

You must really understand and embrace what Ainokea means.

It means Aye.....No......Kea.  Period.  And accept the consequences of actions. ;D :shaka:
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #510 on: September 29, 2022, 11:34:16 AM »
Forgot to add, I may have understood this wrong, but Senators and House Reps have soverign immunity. So u cannot sue them.  But city counsel doesn't, so the BS BI ordinance will be sued and so can the chief.

changemyoil66

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #512 on: September 29, 2022, 01:24:35 PM »
Supreme court said this was illegal,  moreover this would mean you have to be allowed to keep guns in cars as to not break the law.   But storage of firearms in vehicles is prohibited...

The ability to keep guns on private property is different by state.  In most, the landlord has the final say.  If your landlord puts a "no firearms on the premises" clause in your rental lease agreement, you can be evicted for breaking the rules.

Most civil rights are protected against government violations, not private entities.  No different than if your employer says "No guns at work."

Where you keep your guns after being informed of the rules is up to you & the law -- storage facility, relative's home, etc -- but what the courts have ruled on is, if your employer has a "No Guns" policy at work, they can't prohibit you from storing a gun in your car in their parking lot.  That would effectively disarm you while commuting both ways, which they don't have a right to do, assuming you're allowed to legally own and carry while driving to work.  Unless they operate an armory and accept the responsibility of checking in, securing and returning your firearm as you enter and leave work, they can't stop you from being armed while commuting.

Private rental properties have no such restrictions. 

My concern would be, if you live in an apartment/rental home, why are you allowing anyone outside your inner circle to know you have guns?  If you fly under the radar, nobody will know enough to complain about you -- just like concealed carry should be ..... concealed.  Sure, they can try to evict you, but if you have a lease, that takes time.  If you're on month-to-month, better keep your bags packed and your possessions easy to move!   :thumbsup:

If you believe the Supreme Court gave an opinion that contradicts this information, please post the case and relevant quotes.   :thumbsup: :shaka:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #513 on: September 29, 2022, 01:45:32 PM »
The ability to keep guns on private property is different by state.  In most, the landlord has the final say.  If your landlord puts a "no firearms on the premises" clause in your rental lease agreement, you can be evicted for breaking the rules.

Most civil rights are protected against government violations, not private entities.  No different than if your employer says "No guns at work."

Where you keep your guns after being informed of the rules is up to you & the law -- storage facility, relative's home, etc -- but what the courts have ruled on is, if your employer has a "No Guns" policy at work, they can't prohibit you from storing a gun in your car in their parking lot.  That would effectively disarm you while commuting both ways, which they don't have a right to do, assuming you're allowed to legally own and carry while driving to work.  Unless they operate an armory and accept the responsibility of checking in, securing and returning your firearm as you enter and leave work, they can't stop you from being armed while commuting.

Private rental properties have no such restrictions. 

My concern would be, if you live in an apartment/rental home, why are you allowing anyone outside your inner circle to know you have guns?  If you fly under the radar, nobody will know enough to complain about you -- just like concealed carry should be ..... concealed.  Sure, they can try to evict you, but if you have a lease, that takes time.  If you're on month-to-month, better keep your bags packed and your possessions easy to move!   :thumbsup:

If you believe the Supreme Court gave an opinion that contradicts this information, please post the case and relevant quotes.   :thumbsup: :shaka:

The huge difference is that the landlord finding a gun in the home or business is not illegal.  Like you said, they can evict you.  If city ordinance passes, then it would become illegal and you will be arrested and have to go to court. Basically the weight of the law is behind this one.

CCW holders won't advertise they have a gun. But can inadvertently be seen.  Reminds me of a Vegas Costco CCW holder. He was AIWB and reached up to grab something. Costco worker saw and called 911. The guy has his "blue card" (CCW at the time). Costco employees never asked about it at all and he left when he was done shopping.  Cops came and shot him saying he drew his gun in the parking lot.  All video was amazingly not rolling of the security cams in the parking lot.  No gun found on the ground or in his hand. All witnesses said they never saw him with a gun in his hand.   When the EMT's showed up and put the dead guy in the ambulance, they do a SOP of checking the body. Guess what they found..his handgun holstered AIWB still.  This is in the EMT report.

Then the police then say he was carrying another handgun, which at the time the "blue cards" are handgun specific.  So it wasn't the gun that was still holstered.  So they claimed it wasn't the gun he had the card for.  No other guns found on scene. So they tried to call his brother to open his apartment so they can retrieve another gun.  The cop who shot the guy got promoted to internal affairs after saying he saw a gun  in his hand.  Also Metro tried to label him as a drug abuser cause he was on a legal RX of  Vicatin or something for military service related back pain.  Even though his last conversation with his father the week prior was that he doesn't even take a full pill when he has pain, but 1/2 or 1/4 of a pill.

Investigation closed and no one reprimanded or punished.  It was deemed a good shoot.

So back to if someone sees the firearm.  HPD will be called and 1 doesn't have permission from the landlord.  Besides HPD coming in all excited, you will get arrested is the best case scenario.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #514 on: September 29, 2022, 02:44:46 PM »
Yeah,  rather than debate the interpretations of the ruling in court, the Hawaii rulers are intent to decide for themselves what the ruling meant.  If the laws and ordinances they pass conflict, it's not like they can personally be held accountable -- at least not given the percentage of Democrat Sheeple here.

Someone said long ago, "The Golden Rule is: Whoever Has the Most Gold Makes the Rules."

I see this as --> Wealth determines who gets into elected office.  Those in office make the rules. 

Everyone else can pound sand.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #515 on: September 29, 2022, 02:48:14 PM »
Yeah,  rather than debate the interpretations of the ruling in court, the Hawaii rulers are intent to decide for themselves what the ruling meant.  If the laws and ordinances they pass conflict, it's not like they can personally be held accountable -- at least not given the percentage of Democrat Sheeple here.

Someone said long ago, "The Golden Rule is: Whoever Has the Most Gold Makes the Rules."

I see this as --> Wealth determines who gets into elected office.  Those in office make the rules. 

Everyone else can pound sand.
It's not D or R.  It's the have's and have nots. . .

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #516 on: September 29, 2022, 03:22:32 PM »
It's not D or R.  It's the have's and have nots. . .

You're gonna have to  ask yourself if you wanna be on the inside, or on the outside looking in.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

punaperson

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #517 on: October 09, 2022, 08:00:25 AM »
I have a friend who is "in the business" and thus spends considerable time at the Hilo Firearms Division filing paperwork. He said last week he witnessed three people receiving carry licenses. He gave me an ad from an instructor, and said that everyone is charging about the same amount: Basics of Pistol Shooting Course: $300, CCW Firearms Proficiency Test: $150.

Seriously? $450 to ask permission to exercise a funadmental Constitutionally-protected right?

smh. F*cking commies.

Edit: typo
« Last Edit: October 09, 2022, 08:14:05 AM by punaperson »

ren

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #518 on: October 09, 2022, 08:08:34 AM »
I have a friend who is "in the business" and thus spends considerable time at the Hilo Firearms Division filing paperwork. He said last week he witnessed three people receiving carry licenses. He gave me an ad from an instructor, and said that everyone is charging about the same amount: Basics of Pistol Shooting Course: $300, CCW Firearms Proficiency Test: $150.

Seriously? $450 to ask permission to exercise and funadmental Constitutionally-protected right?

smh. F*cking commies.

just like the City Dept of Permit and Planning....red envelopes
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changemyoil66

Re: Hurry up with those permits Chief
« Reply #519 on: October 09, 2022, 08:20:15 AM »
I have a friend who is "in the business" and thus spends considerable time at the Hilo Firearms Division filing paperwork. He said last week he witnessed three people receiving carry licenses. He gave me an ad from an instructor, and said that everyone is charging about the same amount: Basics of Pistol Shooting Course: $300, CCW Firearms Proficiency Test: $150.

Seriously? $450 to ask permission to exercise a funadmental Constitutionally-protected right?

smh. F*cking commies.

Edit: typo
Those people signed their right to privacy away

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