Vetting a Handgun to a particular ammo. (Read 1578 times)

QUIETShooter

Vetting a Handgun to a particular ammo.
« on: July 26, 2022, 02:07:35 PM »
I was perusing the Firearm and Accessories forum and came across oldfart's post about making sure you vett your HP ammo to your particular handgun.

Agree 100%!

However, what constitutes a proper vetting?  What drills, how long, how fast and how much of the ammo do you need to run through the gun to ensure it will perform reliably when it counts?

The bulleye range at KHSC would probably not be the optimal place to vett a handgun.  Too much restrictions.  Cannot shoot fast, only 5 rds per magazine, etc.

But if you were not restricted, what constitutes a proper vetting?
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: Vetting a Handgun to a particular ammo.
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2022, 02:14:12 PM »
I was perusing the Firearm and Accessories forum and came across oldfart's post about making sure you vett your HP ammo to your particular handgun.

Agree 100%!

However, what constitutes a proper vetting?  What drills, how long, how fast and how much of the ammo do you need to run through the gun to ensure it will perform reliably when it counts?

The bulleye range at KHSC would probably not be the optimal place to vett a handgun.  Too much restrictions.  Cannot shoot fast, only 5 rds per magazine, etc.

But if you were not restricted, what constitutes a proper vetting?

I mag dump a few mags. IMO this is enough. Because also add in the various types of FMJ range ammo that I run thru all my guns with no issues.  I know  a few guys who shoot 300rds of HD ammo before having confidence.

Example: Recently I was testing HD ammo for my M45. All passed with the mag dumps  except Critical Defense.  The same 1 round failed to feed 3 times. All other 19 rounds in the box worked correctly.  This did not sit well and I won't be using Critical Defense for HD ammo. Fiocchi HD passed and so did Federal HST. So far, various types of FMJ have worked. I had  a jam or 2 out of 1000 rounds.  The jams were all failure to feed.

WTF?Shane

Re: Vetting a Handgun to a particular ammo.
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2022, 02:54:19 PM »
Everyone has their own standards and ways of doing things. I don't have credible experience, so take my advice with a grain of salt.

I go through a box of ammo (something known to be reliable like Federal HST or Speer Gold Dot). Load some mags with 2 rounds to check loading from closed and open slide, checking to see that it will cycle properly and load the next round, and to see that it will lock back after the last shot. Do a bunch of reload drills to make sure it works properly.

If you have access to the private range or action side, then you can practice faster paced stuff.

Also play around with your gear if possible. Dry fire at home and practice working from retention.

drck1000

Re: Vetting a Handgun to a particular ammo.
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2022, 02:57:00 PM »
1) 500 rounds FMJ
2) 50 rounds JHP of choice to verify/confirm POI
3) Shoot & train regularly and Have Fun!

At least that's what I've done with my Glock 19 & 17s. 

As for drills and stuff, plenty to choose from online.  I like the FAST (https://pistol-training.com/shooting-drills/the-fast/)

Orders from SKD used to some with them.  If you need the target, LMK.  I have PDF.  Can setup to shoot at say an indoor range or at HDF or HRA open shoot. 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Vetting a Handgun to a particular ammo.
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2022, 02:59:08 PM »
I think the key is in the term "vetting" versus "testing."

Vetting means you are ensuring the minimum criteria are met.  An analogy would be meeting with HR when applying for a job.  Once HR vets you, meaning you meet the minimum requirements for the job, then they schedule you for an interview.

These to me are a few minimums to use when vetting SD/HD ammo:
-  Sufficient bullet weight?
-  Goes "bang!" every single time?
-  No squibs?
-  No failure to feed from a variety of magazines?
-  No jams when cycling?
-  Manageable recoil?

Even though no ammo has 100% reliability, SD/HD ammo should be far above range/training ammo.  That's supposedly why SD/HD ammo costs more.

After all, what good is the most effective SD ammo design if it jams or fails to feed every 10-15 rounds?  Cover the basics so you know your gun and mags are 100% compatible with the ammo you choose.  If you see any of the criteria run less than 100%, maybe try another set of mags or change to another ammo.

Also, make sure the ammo is fresh.  Running old ammo that has been in the family for generations should signal it's time to do a refresh.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

QUIETShooter

Re: Vetting a Handgun to a particular ammo.
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2022, 10:24:47 PM »
Well, I did test out some HP ammo on the Bulleye Pistol range at KHSC.  But I couldn't test rapid fire.  At the slow, 5 round per mag pace the ammo did fine. :thumbsup:

 
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

oldfart

Re: Vetting a Handgun to a particular ammo.
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2022, 10:38:05 PM »
Well, I did test out some HP ammo on the Bulleye Pistol range at KHSC.  But I couldn't test rapid fire.  At the slow, 5 round per mag pace the ammo did fine. :thumbsup:
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what is the gun you got there?
the 365??
What, Me Worry?

QUIETShooter

Re: Vetting a Handgun to a particular ammo.
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2022, 09:24:20 AM »
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what is the gun you got there?
the 365??

Yes.  Standard model with manual safety.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

oldfart

Re: Vetting a Handgun to a particular ammo.
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2022, 09:31:37 AM »
Yes.  Standard model with manual safety.
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Gold dot 124?
What, Me Worry?

changemyoil66

Re: Vetting a Handgun to a particular ammo.
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2022, 09:39:28 AM »
Well, I did test out some HP ammo on the Bulleye Pistol range at KHSC.  But I couldn't test rapid fire.  At the slow, 5 round per mag pace the ammo did fine. :thumbsup:

 

Some to the HRA or HDF open shoots and you can load 10rds and rapid fire, as long as it's controlled.

drck1000

Re: Vetting a Handgun to a particular ammo.
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2022, 10:22:08 AM »
Some to the HRA or HDF open shoots and you can load 10rds and rapid fire, as long as it's controlled.
Donate some ammo for him  8)