Asian shop keeper defended his shop with a knife (Read 5490 times)

OctopusEater

Re: Asian shop keeper defended his shop with a knife
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2022, 04:38:39 PM »
Jumping over the counter could be justification for the stabbing, but the problem is the guy was focused on taking items from the shelves instead of attacking the store owner at which point the justification ends.  A couple stabs could be justified giving the store owner the benefit of the doubt and heat of the moment, but he should've stopped it earlier when the robber was compliant.

He punched the shopowner in the face. That’s why he kept getting stabbed.

zippz

Re: Asian shop keeper defended his shop with a knife
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2022, 08:36:02 AM »
He punched the shopowner in the face. That’s why he kept getting stabbed.

That's going to be an issue with the jury.  If the initial stabs were deemed to be wrong, not threatened with death or serious bodily injury, then the punches could be seen as defensive.

changemyoil66

Re: Asian shop keeper defended his shop with a knife
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2022, 08:40:05 AM »
He punched the shopowner in the face. That’s why he kept getting stabbed.

He punched the owner after he was stabbed. But good news is so far no charges.

We are going to Vegas soon and I might stop buy to buy a shirt to support since we don't smoke.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Asian shop keeper defended his shop with a knife
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2022, 09:59:38 AM »
That's going to be an issue with the jury.  If the initial stabs were deemed to be wrong, not threatened with death or serious bodily injury, then the punches could be seen as defensive.

All depends on what he can reasonably say to convince the jury he feared for his life and safety.  His perception at that moment in time is what affected his judgement, so the jury would have to place themselves in his shoes to understand why he felt using a knife was his only, or best, option.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

powerlessbump

Re: Asian shop keeper defended his shop with a knife
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2022, 03:45:16 PM »
"I'm dead" said robber who survived.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/vegas-smoke-shop-owner-recounts-how-masked-robber-he-stabbed-begged-for-his-life

Store owner now bought a gun. Parents told him to sell the shop and become a doctor. :rofl:

changemyoil66

Re: Asian shop keeper defended his shop with a knife
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2022, 04:42:12 PM »
"I'm dead" said robber who survived.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/vegas-smoke-shop-owner-recounts-how-masked-robber-he-stabbed-begged-for-his-life

Store owner now bought a gun. Parents told him to sell the shop and become a doctor. :rofl:
Wait, owner didnt have to take a class, wait 2 week, and enroll in rapback to buy a gun?he must be in a free'er state.

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changemyoil66

Re: Asian shop keeper defended his shop with a knife
« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2022, 12:59:22 PM »
We're going Vegas soon, so gonna stop by his shop to find something to buy. Or just donate cash.

drck1000

Re: Asian shop keeper defended his shop with a knife
« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2022, 05:25:41 PM »
Jumping over the counter could be justification for the stabbing, but the problem is the guy was focused on taking items from the shelves instead of attacking the store owner at which point the justification ends.  A couple stabs could be justified giving the store owner the benefit of the doubt and heat of the moment, but he should've stopped it earlier when the robber was compliant.
At one point I thought he was going to go all Arya Stark and slice across the throat. . . then be like "fatality"  ;D

But then that wouldn't be a good look for self defense.  Idiot kids effed around and found out. . . tards. . .

eyeeatingfish

Re: Asian shop keeper defended his shop with a knife
« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2022, 10:13:43 PM »
I don'w know the laws where this happened but here in Hawaii this one would be hard to defend legally. The guy went to steal items off the shelf, he didn't appear to be armed and he wasn't attacking the worker so I don't see how he could articulate he was in fear for his life, rape, sodomy, kidnapping, or serious bodily injury.

Funny as heck to hear the guy yell out "I am dead". Its like he was playing dead but verbalized it without thinking.

changemyoil66

Re: Asian shop keeper defended his shop with a knife
« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2022, 10:17:34 PM »
I don'w know the laws where this happened but here in Hawaii this one would be hard to defend legally. The guy went to steal items off the shelf, he didn't appear to be armed and he wasn't attacking the worker so I don't see how he could articulate he was in fear for his life, rape, sodomy, kidnapping, or serious bodily injury.

Funny as heck to hear the guy yell out "I am dead". Its like he was playing dead but verbalized it without thinking.
HI law states "belief". NV law doesnt.  So in theory, it would be easier to articulate why he used deadly force if this were HI law.

Im surprised he still hasnt been arrested or charged. Maybe NV has a non corrupt prosecutor.

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eyeeatingfish

Re: Asian shop keeper defended his shop with a knife
« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2022, 10:28:06 PM »
HI law states "belief". NV law doesnt.  So in theory, it would be easier to articulate why he used deadly force if this were HI law.

Im surprised he still hasnt been arrested or charged. Maybe NV has a non corrupt prosecutor.

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I am thinking the fact the guy lived and that the guy stopped stabbing when the thief stopped fighting is his saving grace.

If he went in for a throat slice  after taking his back I think he would have been charged.

If he was real savy or got a good lawer he could try to make the case he was going for non vital targets which would make it difficult to prove attempted murder.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Asian shop keeper defended his shop with a knife
« Reply #31 on: August 10, 2022, 10:38:18 PM »
HI law states "belief". NV law doesnt.  So in theory, it would be easier to articulate why he used deadly force if this were HI law.

Im surprised he still hasnt been arrested or charged. Maybe NV has a non corrupt prosecutor.

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NV has a Castle Doctrine that says you have no duty to retreat from your HOME OR VEHICLE before using deadly force against an intruder despite the perceived or actual intent of the intruder.  I see nothing like this for businesses.  The "stabber" had the chance to flee, but he chose to remain and fight.  I don't think that's within the law for self defense.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Asian shop keeper defended his shop with a knife
« Reply #32 on: August 27, 2022, 08:46:08 AM »
Update
2 teens sentanced to  juvi
1 still in hospital.





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