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Re: Obama Assault Weapon Ban?
« Reply #40 on: November 20, 2012, 03:42:36 PM »
I heard that what pushed Bush the Elder to ban Chinese guns was Norinco's announcement that they were going to start making SKSs in .223 (fixed 15 rd magazine, fed from M16 stripped clips).  Bush was fine with rich people having $800 ARs, but $80 rifles for the rest of us was more than he could take.

The first .223 I ever reloaded was using Norinco cases.  Talk about the good old days.....

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Re: Obama Assault Weapon Ban?
« Reply #41 on: November 20, 2012, 08:09:47 PM »
http://gunowners.wordpress.com/2012/11/20/how-obama-will-ban-guns-without-congressional-approval/
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In Edgar Allen Poe’s short story “The Purloined Letter”, the criminal fools the police by hiding the stolen letter in plain sight.  While the police were expecting all these elaborate twists and turns, the thief just cleverly disguised his crime simply so that nearly none could deduce it.

So too, does President Obama plan on banning guns in such an outright simple way.  And in so doing making it all the more nefarious.

Will Obama try to continue to push for the UN Arms Trade Treaty that will cripple the industry and force a national firearms registration for all participants of said treaty?  Yes.

Will Obama continue to pack the courts with militantly anti-gun judges?  Yes.

But these are just misdirection.  Because, while Second Amendment activists can rouse the masses and fight against such moves by entreating our Senators against such madness, Obama will quietly be changing the rules to which he need not seek permission from anyone.

The law he would utilize is all ready on the books and will undermine the 2nd Amendment by criminalizing millions of guns currently in the possession of law abiding citizens.

I speak of the Gun Control Act of 1968.  How can Obama accomplish the banning of so many guns?  Simple…he will just reclassify them.  All Obama has to do is instruct the BATF to classify semiautomatic firearms and multiple capacity ammunition feeding devices as Title 2 National Firearms Act items under the Gun Control Act of 1968.

    Title II of the Gun Control Act of 1968 is a revision of the National Firearms Act of 1934, and pertains to machine guns, short or “sawed-off” shotguns and rifles, and so-called “destructive devices” (including grenades, mortars, rocket launchers, large projectiles, and other heavy ordnance). Acquisition of these weapons is subject to prior approval of the Attorney General, and federal registration is required for possession. Generally, a $200 tax is imposed upon each transfer or making of any Title II weapon.

With the reclassification of so called “Assault Rifles” and large capacity magazines to fall under Title II, the Federal Government can all but ban outright millions upon millions of guns.  Unless you expect Eric “we must brainwash people against guns” Holder or others of his ilk to be doling out approval for these weapons.

Can’t happen?  But it has…and relatively recently.  In 1994 during the Clinton Administration, the one that brought us the last so called “Assault” Weapons Ban, the USAS-12, Striker 12 and Streetsweeper shotguns were all reclassified requiring them to be registered, taxed and confiscated if approval wasn’t extended.

So, not only does Obama have the means to reclassify a whole slew of weapons that he deems unfit for private citizens, he even has a precedent to go off of.

I’m not saying that the sky is falling…i’m saying it has all ready crashed and now we have to fight to try and mitigate the damage as best we can.

One of the best ways to go about doing that is push your state into passing a Firearms Freedom Act.  Basically, any weapon that is made in the state and retained therein would not be regulated or fall under the purview of the Federal government since it isn’t involved in interstate commerce.

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Re: Obama Assault Weapon Ban?
« Reply #42 on: November 20, 2012, 09:44:35 PM »
Sounds like Tony got into the medicine cabinet and just popped one of everything.....

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Re: Obama Assault Weapon Ban?
« Reply #43 on: November 20, 2012, 10:12:38 PM »
I heard that what pushed Bush the Elder to ban Chinese guns was Norinco's announcement that they were going to start making SKSs in .223 (fixed 15 rd magazine, fed from M16 stripped clips).  Bush was fine with rich people having $800 ARs, but $80 rifles for the rest of us was more than he could take.

The first .223 I ever reloaded was using Norinco cases.  Talk about the good old days.....
That funny!  :shake:

Actually the official reason for the ban was due to bad behavior by Norinco. But I remember there was some bad blood between China and Bush and he used the slave labor and other bad behaviors as the excuse for banning the imports. Personally I didn't mind the fact that the rifles were banned. They had a reputation for using poor quality steel and loading their ammo to the highest allowable and/or +P specs and the combination caused numerous injuries. I remember ads for $90 rifles and add $50 to have a gunsmith check it out before delivery. I think the ban was justified based on the slave labor being used. It just pissed me off cuz it was cheaper to buy the ammo than it was to reload it. I also remember that dealers had a very short time to get rid of their stocks of weapons and ammo. The guns went fast but I heard some places got stuck with ammo they could not sell. I heard most traded away what they had left. Also I heard some of the ammo coming in had steel cores instead of lead. If anyone still has some of that it sells for a huge premium.

I have been reloading Norinco 9mm cases now since the late 90's. I never load hot loads so brass lasts a decent number of times.
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Re: Obama Assault Weapon Ban?
« Reply #45 on: November 22, 2012, 06:56:48 AM »
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/do-not-reinstate-federal-assault-weapons-ban-1994/sC09SX1l?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl

hmmmmmmm...legit or ???

Might as well sign it.  But you know what they'll do with it....  Same thing they do with the constitution and bill of rights, throw it right in the shredder.

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Re: Obama Assault Weapon Ban?
« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2012, 10:15:54 PM »
http://video.foxnews.com/v/2005266599001/

Oh Well.......They say he wont do it....Who do we trust?
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Re: Obama Assault Weapon Ban?
« Reply #48 on: December 04, 2012, 10:59:10 PM »
If the government ever went so far as to say citizens could not be in possession of certain weapons that are currently legal, I got to believe a lot of people would coincidentally have burglaries and oh btw just so happen their AWS were stolen. Kinda like does anyone think some gun owners don't have select-fire weapons or parts stashed away. In 1989 they grandfathered stuff, can't even fathom the thought of confiscation ever happening.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2012, 11:17:43 PM by Bunker »

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Re: Obama Assault Weapon Ban?
« Reply #49 on: December 16, 2012, 01:09:33 PM »
What's the literal difference between "retroactive" and "prospective?"

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-feinstein-gun-control-bill-newtown-20121216,0,2429438.story

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Re: Obama Assault Weapon Ban?
« Reply #50 on: December 16, 2012, 03:56:31 PM »
Wouldn't confiscation violate our 4th amendment rights?
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Re: Obama Assault Weapon Ban?
« Reply #51 on: December 16, 2012, 04:11:58 PM »
Wouldn't confiscation violate our 4th amendment rights?

Not with just compensation. 
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Re: Obama Assault Weapon Ban?
« Reply #52 on: December 16, 2012, 04:51:46 PM »
Just compensation in the government's view means you get screwed. They would never give a fraction of what collector grade weapons are worth on the collector's market, let alone even care about sentimental or historical value. I think many people's AWS may end up mysterious stolen in a coincidental burgulary of their residence just prior to confiscation. :geekdanc:

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Re: Obama Assault Weapon Ban?
« Reply #53 on: December 20, 2012, 08:44:05 PM »
Hey all.  Thoughts on

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Sorry if this has been posted.  I saw this and was like...Wow...WTF...

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Re: Obama Assault Weapon Ban?
« Reply #54 on: December 20, 2012, 10:43:51 PM »
Wouldn't confiscation violate our 4th amendment rights?
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Re: Obama Assault Weapon Ban?
« Reply #55 on: December 21, 2012, 11:53:07 AM »
"America, don't think it can't happen to you!!!" I don't think it can but if the majority of the population is law abiding and there is a new law that would lead to ten years in prison... I don't think the majority would take that chance if that day ever came.



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Obama Assault Weapon Ban?
« Reply #56 on: December 21, 2012, 11:59:29 AM »
Sickening....

Bunker

Re: Obama Assault Weapon Ban?
« Reply #57 on: December 21, 2012, 01:19:27 PM »
Sickening....

It's beyond sickening to see people's rights stripped away from them and then adding insult to injury, become victims in their communities because they can't defend themselves from all the criminals who could care less about rights and laws. This ignorant mentality of politicians to enact such legislation of this nature only empowers the criminal element in society.