They are stalling, this is exactly the game plan.  They don't intend to issue any CCW until the next legislative session where the great minds of our legislature can pass nonsensical sensitive places requirements, ridiculously burdensome and impossible training and insurance requirements, and whatever other unconstitutional bullshit they can muster.  Then we get to fight it out in court for another few decades to a then flipped SCOTUS who will shit on the 2nd Amendment.

NRA-ILA has also filed a lawsuit in NY.

The chief making up his own rules as allowed by Chapter 15 for the Rules of the Police Chief. Of which we have never seen before. We need to do a FOIA request for the entire rule book

The HRS says the COP is to come up with a process and procedure, not an equipment list.

The HRS says the COP is to come up with a process and procedure, not an equipment list.

Think they care?


HPD
1. Make burdensome and onerous rule
2. Tell peeps no can issue until you jump through hoops
3. Get sued
4. 10 years later at 9th Circuit maybe get resolved or go to scotus.
5. Laugh whole time at little people

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Think they care?


HPD
1. Make burdensome and onerous rule
2. Tell peeps no can issue until you jump through hoops
3. Get sued
4. 10 years later at 9th Circuit maybe get resolved or go to scotus.
5. Laugh whole time at little people

Rinse and repeat.

They plan on you all dying off or just saying to hell with it.

Can they do that? Do these rules have any force of law? They don't appear to be internal policies.

Can they do that? Do these rules have any force of law? They don't appear to be internal policies.

They can’t force you to wear a face diaper either, but apparently we’re in a “Might Makes Right” type situation

This is the stupidest part of the entire chief’s rules. There are really no good Level 2 concealment holsters that can actually be concealed easily.

This is the stupidest part of the entire chief’s rules. There are really no good Level 2 concealment holsters that can actually be concealed easily.

They want you to print, so they can stop and frisk (harass) you
They want people to fumble around and accidentally shoot themselves when they inevitably buy serpa holsters.
They want people to fail to defend their own lives.

Criminals have more rights than you

They can’t force you to wear a face diaper either, but apparently we’re in a “Might Makes Right” type situation

And the right somehow is the side that wants to tell you what to do.

As left alphabet entities harass and threaten people over legally purchased merchandise claiming they are now illegal after some word rearrangement and generous interpretation.

Can they do that? Do these rules have any force of law? They don't appear to be internal policies.

They can do what ever they want if a approval is required.

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They can do what ever they want if a approval is required.

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Even if approval is not required HPD do what they want. (See telling peeps to weld a mag to an AR pistol)

Even if approval is not required HPD do what they want. (See telling peeps to weld a mag to an AR pistol)

Maybe we can give them our pronouns for our holster! Or just call it a transitory holster!

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I focused on the same issue reading through these crazy requirements.  That and that fact we have to do this entire process every year to renew. 
I too assumed "Type 2" = "Level 2" but why would they use the term Type when the correct term is Level ? 

Combine that with the fact that Level 2 holsters are usually used for open carry it makes no sense.

I used to have a carry permit in another state and I preferred in the pants styles which has a loop that hangs over and connect to the belt.  They don't make that style in a Level 2 from what I can see, and if they did it would be crazy difficult to disengage the retention device making the gun more unsafe to the owner.

I focused on the same issue reading through these crazy requirements.  That and that fact we have to do this entire process every year to renew. 
I too assumed "Type 2" = "Level 2" but why would they use the term Type when the correct term is Level ? 

Combine that with the fact that Level 2 holsters are usually used for open carry it makes no sense.

I used to have a carry permit in another state and I preferred in the pants styles which has a loop that hangs over and connect to the belt.  They don't make that style in a Level 2 from what I can see, and if they did it would be crazy difficult to disengage the retention device making the gun more unsafe to the owner.

Some people also pocket carry. Like Colin Noir stated in a video about his 5 CCW guns. When he goes to check his mail, he doesn't want to strap up. He's in his sweat pants and a sweater. Puts the Ruger 9 in his sweater pocket.

The chief making up his own rules as allowed by Chapter 15 for the Rules of the Police Chief. Of which we have never seen before. We need to do a FOIA request for the entire rule book

https://www.honolulupd.org/rules-of-the-chief-of-police/
I notice there are no dates (other than the future October____2022
Found nothing on the "Way Back Machine"

Looks like a lot of overlapping and redundancy with Chapter 134Even some discrepancy's between the two.
It also has 6 more pages
And I don't see Rapback in the §15-15 Procedures for acquiring and registering firearms.
Are we gonna get our money back 
If I'm not in step with something here LMK

    TMTR right now.
Would probably have t print HPD Chief Rules and Chap 134 and go lie by line.

They want you to print, so they can stop and frisk (harass) you
They want people to fumble around and accidentally shoot themselves when they inevitably buy serpa holsters.
They want people to fail to defend their own lives.

Criminals have more rights than you

Almost seems they want to create a situation where it's a no-win for the CCW holder.  When the law-abiding citizen fumbles and fail to defend themselves due to these restrictions, the anti-gun pukes will say, "See, they are incapable of defending themselves and are a danger to society" not realizing it was the implementors of this stupid laws that caused the failure in the first place.

And yes, the criminals have more rights than us.  They will carry with no level 2 holster, will not even apply for the stupid permit and they will be out in the streets in no time flat.

Existing law:

§134-10.5  Storage of firearm; responsibility with respect to minors.  No person shall store or
keep any firearm on any premises under the person’s control if the person knows or reasonably
should know that a minor is likely to gain access to the firearm without the permission of the
parent or guardian of the minor, unless the person:

     (1)  Keeps the firearm in a securely locked box or other container or in a location that a
reasonable person would believe to be secure; or

     (2)  Carries the firearm on the person or within such close proximity thereto that the person
can readily retrieve and use it as if it were carried on the person.

If the second paragraph (2) is "reasonable" and sufficient to keep those around you safe, that's all you should be required to do when carrying in public -- with the added requirement that it be concealed if you have a CC license.  No need to add any other details.

When the gun is under the control of the owner, no additional retention or security feature is required.

date of issue.
     (b)  The chief of police of each county shall adopt procedures to require that any person granted a license to carry a concealed weapon on the person shall:
     (1)  Be qualified to use the firearm in a safe manner;
     (2)  Appear to be a suitable person to be so licensed;
     (3)  Not be prohibited under section 134-7 from the ownership or possession of a firearm; and
     (4)  Not have been adjudged insane or not appear to be mentally deranged.
     (c)  No person shall carry concealed or unconcealed on the person a pistol or revolver without being licensed to do so under this section or in compliance with sections 134-5(c) or 134-25.
     (d)  A fee of $10 shall be charged for each license and shall be deposited in the treasury of the county in which the license is granted.

Anything that is not procedure is not allowed in the statute, the way I read it.

Anyway. Safariland looks like a decent mechanical retention IWB. Has only limited handgun choices available, and reviews seem to say it has to ride pretty high to get a proper release of the retention device.


https://safariland.com/products/model-575-iwb-gls-pro-fit-holster-model_575?currency=USD&variant=39632030498896&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&absrc=Google&abid=&gclid=CjwKCAjwsMGYBhAEEiwAGUXJaTRTEgJYa-bSiKJctujUtLDjuC7R-89nPtsfR-rQN5zPSPx8_HnqEBoCrpoQAvD_BwE&gclid=CjwKCAjwsMGYBhAEEiwAGUXJaTRTEgJYa-bSiKJctujUtLDjuC7R-89nPtsfR-rQN5zPSPx8_HnqEBoCrpoQAvD_BwE

Apparently “Type 2” no need secondary retention. Just a type 2 model. (Or v2)
Not level 2

https://rrtholsters.com/2020/product/type-ii-holster-v2-iwb-only/

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Idiots.