https://www.kitv.com/news/business/new-lawsuit-filed-in-hawaii-aiming-to-end-certain-handgun-restrictions/article_a6369fdc-3cad-11ed-b5e3-c316bf42e1e1.html

Andrea Ilima DeCosta who says she has a daughter killed by gun violence, has a different point of view. "Unless they can present us with a legal and reasonable rational as to why they want to have these things, then I think the current rules are reasonable," said DeCosta.
 "What do you need more than 10 bullets for? what is going to be the benefit," asked DeCosta.
DeCosta disagrees. "In the time it takes to reload a firearm, they could take shelter," said DeCosta.

I think there's more to her story about "gun violence". It's a tragedy but she shouldn't be stating half-truths about her story.

Why do you need more than 10 rounds?
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because bullets come in 50 (or 20) round boxes....duh

Her daughter committed suicide.

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Her daughter committed suicide.

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If this is true, then her next crusade will be to ban ANY gun that holds ANY rounds.

it's a mental health issue not a "gun violence" issue.

If she thinks mag capacity limits would have saved her daughter from a suicide, she's obviously unhinged.

I know of one schoolmate who used a shotgun to kill herself.  Another used a revolver.  Ammunition limits are irrelevant.  You only need one round.

Cops that carry Glock 17s have 17 round mags.  I see nothing to indicate why all gun owners need fewer than 17 -- unless she is insinuating we are all much better shots than the Cops.

 

I know of a classmate that hung herself. It's a slippery argumentative slope. If you try to clarify with her that it was not the gun's fault then emotions will take over and you will lose.

I know of a classmate that hung herself. It's a slippery argumentative slope. If you try to clarify with her that it was not the gun's fault then emotions will take over and you will lose.

I want to know who DeCosta is, and why her opinion of what our gun rights should include matters.

Having a child commit suicide doesn't make one qualified to pass judgement on every law abiding gun owner and the things we own.

Googling, I find that name associated with a massage therapist and ordained marriage minister.

This is the 2nd time the local media is using her statement.

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This is the 2nd time the local media is using her statement.

Is that all?  She's not running for office or anything?

I wonder if the daughter was living at home with the mother at the time of her death.  I also wonder who owned the gun, that common sense wasn't enough to keep it out of the daughter's hands.

Her daughter died in Georgia?  And DeCosta's chyron title says "Gun Safety Advocate."

The way the news report was edited, it makes it sound like Georgia's concealed carry laws somehow contributed to the daughter's suicide.   

I personally give her no credibility for using the phrase "gun violence" in connection with a suicide.  "Violence" invokes the image of one person injuring another.  Self-inflicted gunshots are not "violence", no matter how desperately you try to make it so.  Suicide is an act of self-destruction.  Period.  Would taking pills, using a rope or choking on car exhaust also be labeled "violence"?  If not, then neither should suicide by gun.  This behavior diminishes the seriousness of victims of actual violence -- with or without a gun involved.

Is that all?  She's not running for office or anything?

I wonder if the daughter was living at home with the mother at the time of her death.  I also wonder who owned the gun, that common sense wasn't enough to keep it out of the daughter's hands.

Her daughter died in Georgia?  And DeCosta's chyron title says "Gun Safety Advocate."

The way the news report was edited, it makes it sound like Georgia's concealed carry laws somehow contributed to the daughter's suicide.   

I personally give her no credibility for using the phrase "gun violence" in connection with a suicide.  "Violence" invokes the image of one person injuring another.  Self-inflicted gunshots are not "violence", no matter how desperately you try to make it so.  Suicide is an act of self-destruction.  Period.  Would taking pills, using a rope or choking on car exhaust also be labeled "violence"?  If not, then neither should suicide by gun.  This behavior diminishes the seriousness of victims of actual violence -- with or without a gun involved.

Pill and rope violence. Gas exhaust violence? What no? Your words are violence! You are committing grammar violence!
Enter the Grammaton Cleric

If she thinks mag capacity limits would have saved he daughter from a suicide, she's obviously unhinged.

I know of one schoolmate who used a shotgun to kill herself.  Another used a revolver.  Ammunition limits are irrelevant.  You only need one round.

Cops that carry Glock 17s have 17 round mags.  I see nothing to indicate why all gun owners need fewer than 17 -- unless she is insinuating we are all much better shots than the Cops.

 

Y'all ever seen the video of the mainland East coast cop that emptied his entire Glock mag within 3 meters of his target and missed every time?
I'll find it somewhere.
With these illegal unconstitutional CCW license requirements, the cops should be worried,  we'll be better shots than they are.
 

Y'all ever seen the video of the mainland East coast cop that emptied his entire Glock mag within 3 meters of his target and missed every time?
I'll find it somewhere.
With these illegal unconstitutional CCW license requirements, the cops should be worried,  we'll be better shots than they are.
 

This might be the reason hi-cap mags were introduced, lol!  Law of averages.  The more you shoot the higher chance of hitting what you're aiming at.

Hope you find that video and post it.  It will make me feel better.  Up to now I thought I was the worse shooter in the nation.  At least now I know that's not true.

Because, reloading hurts my thumb

My standard cap mags identify as 10 rounders

My standard cap mags identify as 10 rounders

What if we sign an affidavit that promises to stop after the first 10 and count to 60 before firing the rest?   

bc 'Murica!!!




bc it puts a smile on my face   

"Most of these have nothing to do with making people more safe," said Victor. Not everyone feels this way, Andrea Ilima DeCosta who says she has a daughter killed by gun violence, has a different point of view. "Unless they can present us with a legal and reasonable rational as to why they want to have these things, then I think the current rules are reasonable," said DeCosta.

What about you present a reasonable and rational reason or justification why I should not have those things? 

Another example of irrational linking.  What happened to her daughter is awful and perhaps tragic, but what does that have to do with magazine capacity? 

She definitely blames the gun

HB-31
Submitted on: 3/29/2021 4:20:40 PM Testimony for JDC on 3/30/2021 9:45:00 AM
Submitted By Organization
Testifier Position
Present at Hearing
No
     Andrea Ilima DeCosta Individual Oppose
Comments:
    Aloha and mahalo for allowing me the opportunity to submit this testimony regarding HB-31, which would require owners of firearms to safely store their firearms when anyone in the home is age 18 or younger.
On November 5, 2015, my adult daughter, Elizabeth, was found dead in her bathroom - she had been shot in the back of the head with her military spouse’s loaded and unlocked gun.
Raising the age of safe storage from 16 to 18 years of age would not have saved Elizabeth’s life.
Instead of laws targeting persons of a certain age, as a survivor of gun violence, I propose that a mandatory safe storage law for gun owners - regardless of age - as well as mandatory gun owner education and a gun owner liability law would do more to prevent access to lethal means and accidental deaths.
An owner of a firearm who knows that they can be held criminally and civilly liable for their failure to properly store their firearms would be more likely to take steps to secure their firearm(s) and mitigate their own liability.
It’s time to respect responsible gun owners and hold those who are negligent or irresponsible with their firearm(s) liable for their actions. Mahalo.

P.S. Zippz/HIFICO and the Public Defenders Office had some good testimony on this bill

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2021/testimony/HB31_TESTIMONY_JDC_03-30-21_.PDF

She definitely blames the gun

HB-31
Submitted on: 3/29/2021 4:20:40 PM Testimony for JDC on 3/30/2021 9:45:00 AM
Submitted By Organization
Testifier Position
Present at Hearing
No
     Andrea Ilima DeCosta Individual Oppose
Comments:
    Aloha and mahalo for allowing me the opportunity to submit this testimony regarding HB-31, which would require owners of firearms to safely store their firearms when anyone in the home is age 18 or younger.
On November 5, 2015, my adult daughter, Elizabeth, was found dead in her bathroom - she had been shot in the back of the head with her military spouse’s loaded and unlocked gun.
Raising the age of safe storage from 16 to 18 years of age would not have saved Elizabeth’s life.
Instead of laws targeting persons of a certain age, as a survivor of gun violence, I propose that a mandatory safe storage law for gun owners - regardless of age - as well as mandatory gun owner education and a gun owner liability law would do more to prevent access to lethal means and accidental deaths.
An owner of a firearm who knows that they can be held criminally and civilly liable for their failure to properly store their firearms would be more likely to take steps to secure their firearm(s) and mitigate their own liability.
It’s time to respect responsible gun owners and hold those who are negligent or irresponsible with their firearm(s) liable for their actions. Mahalo.

P.S. Zippz/HIFICO and the Public Defenders Office had some good testimony on this bill

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2021/testimony/HB31_TESTIMONY_JDC_03-30-21_.PDF

Sounds like she's gonna run for office. Uses her situation to push an agenda, even though it's reaching.