Tulsi Gabbard loves guns? (Read 33053 times)

hvybarrels

Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« Reply #120 on: October 15, 2022, 10:39:48 AM »
Your confusing political ideologies with gender. :rofl:

It was intentional, because that’s how some people here are treating it

People are allowed to change their minds

If you can’t do that then you might as well be dead
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aieahound

Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« Reply #121 on: October 20, 2022, 11:58:09 AM »
From a Leftist Liberal Rag.  At least that’s how you can’t write it off immediately with no critical thinking.
But interesting article on the Flip Flop we call Tulsi.
How changed her mind Tulsi. However one wants to frame it.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tulsi-gabbard-doesn-t-really-085359015.html

“ She was a surrogate for the democratic socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders. She voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016. She endorsed Joe Biden in 2020. And now, in 2022, she’s campaigning for…Kari Lake?

Last week, former Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard announced she was leaving the Democratic Party because it had become “an elitist cabal of warmongers driven by cowardly wokeness.” Now nominally an independent, she promptly endorsed and campaigned for Republican politicians like New Hampshire GOP Senate candidate Don Bolduc and Arizona GOP gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake.

It’s worth asking: When exactly did the Democratic Party become woke warmongers? Was it before or after Gabbard backed Clinton and Biden?

So why did Tulsi decide to break up with the Democrats, and why now? Gabbard may want to take a page from ex-Democrat Ronald Reagan who famously said, “I didn’t leave the Democratic Party, the party left me,” but the two are hardly analogous.

I struggle to find any coherence in Gabbard’s political philosophy or strategy but, as a lifelong conservative, one possible answer may be that the Republican Party has left us. It has become the kind of MAGA party that is attractive to people like Lake (a former Obama voter), Donald Trump (a former Clinton supporter), Kanye “George Bush doesn't care about black people” West, Dr. Mehmet Oz (of Oprah fame), and now, the ex-Bernie-booster Tulsi Gabbard.

A common thread among the MAGA upstarts is that they are opportunistic and attention-starved. Politics, once dreary and boring to the general public, is now a gateway to widespread attention, and the far right has by far the lowest barrier to entry. In this regard, Gabbard is merely the latest celebrity brand to hop on the conservative entertainment wing’s wagon in pursuit of even more clout.

Seen in that light, Gabbard’s conversion, seemingly timed to coincide with the launch of a new podcast, is less confusing. Perhaps it’s worth quickly recapping her convoluted trajectory.

Tulsi didn’t have to pay her dues or show her conservative credentials—all she had to do is slam her own party. Instant MAGA stardom!“

changemyoil66

Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« Reply #122 on: October 20, 2022, 12:06:53 PM »
The vid just showed her shooting a pistol.  I would like to see a vid of her running a course with an "assault rifle", or Phub. I don't mind either.

hvybarrels

Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« Reply #123 on: October 20, 2022, 12:19:51 PM »
Some people want to make this about her motivations. That’s not the story here.

Do you want to crush the commies and win our rights back, or do you want to pull out the knives and have an ideological purity fight?

The Democratic Party chose the latter and now they are about to go extinct

Let’s figure out what we are going to replace the 2 party system with before someone else does that for us
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changemyoil66

Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« Reply #124 on: October 20, 2022, 12:28:23 PM »


The Democratic Party chose the latter and now they are about to go extinct

Let’s figure out what we are going to replace the 2 party system with before someone else does that for us

Not gonna happen. Only the actual smarter ones are leaving. They have many sheep who will follow without question.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« Reply #125 on: October 20, 2022, 12:43:33 PM »
Not gonna happen. Only the actual smarter ones are leaving. They have many sheep who will follow without question.

More voters have identified as Independent the last decade than ever before.

Both main parties in the "system" will be forced to sway the Independents, because they can't count on a victory by simply comparing affiliations with GOP vs. Dems.
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The United States has two major political parties: Democratic and Republican.
Ask an American voter which one she or he sides with, and the most likely
answer is: “neither.”

Recent polls say at least 4 in 10 Americans identify as politically independent,
even if they tend to “lean” Republican or Democratic on the issues.
Only 3 in 10 identify as Democrats and the other 3 in 10 identify as Republicans.
The Gallup polling organization calls this a “near historical low” for both major parties.
https://share.america.gov/rise-of-independent-voter/

That was in 2016 -- Obama's 1st term just ending.  What is your guess the situation has only worsened for the 2 parties?

Many defectors can't reconcile joining the "enemy", so they instead become Switzerland -- taking a neutral affiliation of "Independent."
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« Reply #126 on: October 20, 2022, 12:44:16 PM »
Not gonna happen. Only the actual smarter ones are leaving. They have many sheep who will follow without question.

When the Soviet Union collapsed some of the war hawks on the American right had mental breakdowns. Losing their “forever enemy” robbed them of a big chunk of their own identity.

Apparently much of the pro-2a identity is tied up with being on the permanently-losing side so that even though the goal line is in sight we still can’t believe it.
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robtmc

Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« Reply #127 on: October 20, 2022, 12:46:16 PM »
Sounds about right, the Republican party left me when they lost Reagan as a leader. 

They became the go along to get along assistant democrat party.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« Reply #128 on: October 20, 2022, 12:53:59 PM »
When the Soviet Union collapsed some of the war hawks on the American right had mental breakdowns. Losing their “forever enemy” robbed them of a big chunk of their own identity.

Apparently much of the pro-2a identity is tied up with being on the permanently-losing side so that even though the goal line is in sight we still can’t believe it.

"The "still can't believe it" phenomenon is caused mainly by historical norm -- government wants more control, and therefore will never concede an inch to Gun Owners and 2A supporters while looking to take yard after yard.

2A is pro-"The People", and anti-"Tyrannical Government."  Why would government support a right that is against their having more power?

So, yeah, it's hard to believe that after 88 years of anti-gun legislation (starting with the NFA in 1934), gun owners are finally reversing the trend of unconstitutional restrictions.  We've had to play ball for so long according to the government's rules, we've just accepted that's how it'll be in our lifetime.  Up until now, the only other alternatives were ignore the rules and risk prison, or choose to not play the game at all.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« Reply #129 on: October 20, 2022, 12:56:35 PM »
Sounds about right, the Republican party left me when they lost Reagan as a leader. 

They became the go along to get along assistant democrat party.

I remember liking the "Contract with America" the GOP in Congress created.  Seemed like a great way to plan and evaluate the successes and failures of the elected politicians point-by-point.

Democrats hated the idea, because they can't get reelected if their records are going to be the main issue.

No matter how bad the GOP has gotten, the Dems have become multiple times worse, maybe because they had a head start.   :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« Reply #130 on: October 20, 2022, 12:57:50 PM »
When the Soviet Union collapsed some of the war hawks on the American right had mental breakdowns. Losing their “forever enemy” robbed them of a big chunk of their own identity.


Enter the 20 year war in A-stan/Iraq

aieahound

Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« Reply #131 on: October 20, 2022, 01:23:33 PM »
The vid just showed her shooting a pistol.  I would like to see a vid of her running a course with an "assault rifle", or Phub. I don't mind either.

Watch to the end and you’ll get a glimpse of no civilian should ever own a weapon of war Tulsi playing with her AR.
I guess Tulsi does love guns. I don’t know.

https://youtube.com/shorts/TKwP3QCbfV8?feature=share

changemyoil66

Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« Reply #132 on: October 20, 2022, 01:54:00 PM »
Watch to the end and you’ll get a glimpse of no civilian should ever own a weapon of war Tulsi playing with her AR.
I guess Tulsi does love guns. I don’t know.

Oh snap

rpoL98

Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« Reply #133 on: October 20, 2022, 03:49:45 PM »
I think her point-of-view is evolving, as she learns more about firearms shooting sports.  same thing as what happens when you take a non-gun friend-or-family-member to the range for an enjoyable first time.  I'm guessing somebody reached out to her, said, hey you wanna try this?  it does happen.  perhaps not often enough.

sure as shit ain't happening with KHSC being closed.

WTF?Shane

Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« Reply #134 on: October 20, 2022, 04:09:50 PM »
The vid just showed her shooting a pistol.  I would like to see a vid of her running a course with an "assault rifle", or Phub. I don't mind either.

There were are pics of her at another event with a AR pistol.

Edit: Google search looks like same event/day.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2022, 08:13:51 PM by WTF?Shane »

changemyoil66

Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« Reply #135 on: October 20, 2022, 05:14:05 PM »
There were pics of her at another event with a AR pistol.
Droooolllll

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ren

Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« Reply #136 on: October 20, 2022, 05:31:39 PM »
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« Last Edit: October 20, 2022, 06:03:46 PM by ren »
Deeds Not Words

punaperson

Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« Reply #137 on: October 20, 2022, 05:41:15 PM »
When the Soviet Union collapsed some of the war hawks on the American right had mental breakdowns. Losing their “forever enemy” robbed them of a big chunk of their own identity.

Apparently much of the pro-2a identity is tied up with being on the permanently-losing side so that even though the goal line is in sight we still can’t believe it.
What, specifically, is "the goal line" that "is in sight"?

ren

Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« Reply #138 on: October 20, 2022, 05:56:58 PM »
This is why our local 2a community is fractured.
Once a person is anti 2a they can never be pro 2a. Mindsets are cast in stone. Don't welcome them or have a dialogue.
<signing out>
« Last Edit: October 20, 2022, 06:04:13 PM by ren »
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QUIETShooter

Re: Tulsi Gabbard loves guns?
« Reply #139 on: October 20, 2022, 06:27:27 PM »
I have a wait and see attitude about Tulsi.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.