Public Hearing Recap (Read 3647 times)

changemyoil66

Public Hearing Recap
« on: October 04, 2022, 12:07:13 PM »
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Noticed much more 2a support from shops and other groups who I've never seen at any hearings or written testimonies for bills in the legislative session.

The following stores/org's were present: Young Guns, Kaneohe Gun Shop, Danger Close Tactical, Northshore Marksman, Peter Abraham, HRA, Red Letter Industries, Mission Bravo. Maybe more and I just didn't see them.

The Chief and HPD brass were outside mingling with the people.

Had about 150 or so pro 2a, maybe 10 anti. Only 1 MDA (red shirt). But she brought a few more shirts with her to hand out.

Had a lady outside yelling at people "why do you need a mag more than 10rds"

Talked to a Civil Affairs cop (brown aloha shirt) and he said they were there to keep the peace if a debate outside gets out of hand. He stated the 1A is a protected right, so you guys can talk all you want. But if it gets violent, then they will step in.

None of the cops had a pissed off look on their faces. Like we wasting their time when they should have been off today kind of attitude. 

HPD was very organized. They had the line, then letting in 3 at a time (go thru metal detector), then into the room as people left.

Ilima Decosta us again using her daughters suicide to push more gun laws. But she never states her daughter committed suicide, instead her testimony made it sound like the daughters husband killed her.  Even though on her FB page she wrote to Obama about it and said suicide.

Funny story, I was outside talking with a friend and Logan approaches me and says "Hi enter real name" with his hand out (shake hand).  My friend asked if I knew the chief and I said no. So we were tripping for about 20 mins, when Andrew said the chief asked him who I was because I was dressed professionally, so Andrew told him my name.  So this brings me to what I've said b4, dress nice and not tactical looking.  Due to my attire, the chief made an effort to approach me and chit chat.  We didn't talk business, but about Vegas.

Overall, this was done well and a noticeably different tone.  But we shall see what changes they make. Because I rather have a hostile welcoming, but remove much of the rules than a nice welcoming and the same bad rules.

HPD set up 2 TV's so people in line can watch since only 12 were let into the room at a time. The room is small.

Overall, it seems like HPD/Logan were very accommodating, which is a breath of fresh air.

Logan was not present inside the room, as it would be a conflict of interest. Like the chief making his own rules.  Had the asst. chief, 2 captains, and 2 civilians.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2022, 12:54:15 PM by changemyoil66 »

rpoL98

Re: Public Hearing Recap
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2022, 02:32:10 PM »
thanks for the summary, appreciated!    :shaka:   :shaka:

Onenuttkapolei

Re: Public Hearing Recap
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2022, 11:07:40 PM »
Awesome recap.  Thanks for this

hvybarrels

Re: Public Hearing Recap
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2022, 11:32:56 PM »
Note to self: put on a nice shirt next time.
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Heavies

Re: Public Hearing Recap
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2022, 05:18:50 AM »
Any mention of how many email testimony was received?

garandtumb

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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2022, 06:27:47 AM »
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changemyoil66

Re: Public Hearing Recap
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2022, 10:22:39 AM »
Any mention of how many email testimony was received?

So far 100 support and want stricter rules and 77 oppose (pro 2a).  But many are missing.  My test, Mrs CMO, Macsak, and many more are missing.  IDK if HPD is done uploading them.

WTF?Shane

Re: Public Hearing Recap
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2022, 11:49:24 AM »
Good stuff, (enter real name).  :thumbsup:

aieahound

Re: Public Hearing Recap
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2022, 11:52:52 AM »
A lot of a lot of the anti one’s are the same testimony cut and pasted. Someone coordinated something.
Then there are the ones that simply say please make it as hard as possible to carry a gun in Hawaii.

changemyoil66

Re: Public Hearing Recap
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2022, 12:12:56 PM »
A lot of a lot of the anti one’s are the same testimony cut and pasted. Someone coordinated something.
Then there are the ones that simply say please make it as hard as possible to carry a gun in Hawaii.

Correct. This is why we need to be ready for 2023 legislative session. Every testimony counts.  Funny how mainly the pro 2A side took the time off from work to testify in person.  It's like the issue means enough for them to take the day off.

stangzilla

Re: Public Hearing Recap
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2022, 12:16:33 PM »
I'm sure they are going to stall as long as they can, but when is HPD going to finalize their procedure for issuing CCW permits?
I've said it before and I'll say it again, HPD firearms div moves super slow.  I've never seen people move so slow in my life in everything they do.  if they moved any slower, they'd be going backwards

changemyoil66

Re: Public Hearing Recap
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2022, 12:39:15 PM »
I'm sure they are going to stall as long as they can, but when is HPD going to finalize their procedure for issuing CCW permits?
I've said it before and I'll say it again, HPD firearms div moves super slow.  I've never seen people move so slow in my life in everything they do.  if they moved any slower, they'd be going backwards

In the very begining of the hearing, they stated that no decision will be made that day. And if there are any "significant changes", then another hearing will take place.

They also stated that there will be no questions asked or feed back from the panel. 1 news agency made it sound like the panel didn't care to ask follow up questions.

stangzilla

Re: Public Hearing Recap
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2022, 12:46:38 PM »
from the video, the cop time keeper (second from left person), looked like he didn't want to be there.  body language looked like he just wanted it to end so they can impose their Gestapo rules on us no matter what the testimonies were
which would not surprise me if they change nothing in their rules
only thing that will cause change will be more law suits

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Public Hearing Recap
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2022, 12:50:15 PM »
from the video, the cop time keeper (second from left person), looked like he didn't want to be there.  body language looked like he just wanted it to end so they can impose their Gestapo rules on us no matter what the testimonies were
which would not surprise me if they change nothing in their rules
only thing that will cause change will be more law suits

Their MO has been to hold hearings as a formality required by law.  The decisions always favor whatever the powers that be want -- never taking into account the overwhelming opposition from the people the new laws/rules are meant to restrict.

The chickens never get a vote when the foxes are deciding what's for dinner.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Public Hearing Recap
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2022, 12:51:34 PM »
from the video, the cop time keeper (second from left person), looked like he didn't want to be there.  body language looked like he just wanted it to end so they can impose their Gestapo rules on us no matter what the testimonies were
which would not surprise me if they change nothing in their rules
only thing that will cause change will be more law suits

Only guy with no paper and pen.  Everyone else was writing stuff down, especially the civilians.

nickelzismoney

Re: Public Hearing Recap
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2022, 01:31:31 PM »
My opposition is missing too
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macsak

Re: Public Hearing Recap
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2022, 01:45:46 PM »
sent 9:02 pm 10/3/22
just got response that they received mine at 1:38 pm today...

Rocky

Re: Public Hearing Recap
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2022, 01:59:46 PM »
I never
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Public Hearing Recap
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2022, 10:53:29 PM »
Good work!

changemyoil66

Re: Public Hearing Recap
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2022, 10:28:31 AM »
Update:

187 oppose more rules
157 support more rules. 90% are cookie cutter testimonies. Much of the testimonies want stricter laws and have nothing to do with the current rules proposed.  Main statement is "keep Hawaii, Hawaii".

Almost none are cookie cutter for pro 2a testimonies.