$2300 msrp? Holy fawk!

I guess inflation. My first AR was a DDm4V5. Never buying a DD rifle again, but not related to how it functioned.

Not against budget ARs. I have a couple PSA complete uppers and one on an Aero lower that I built.  It’s a beater rifle and has been flawless. Haven’t tested accuracy like this video, but it’s what I consider decent.

Barrel and trigger.  If the rest is mil-spec and functional, not much else matters.  Put some geniuse's new weird idea in and reliability becomes questionable.

It is Gucci time for too many that just fondle the things.

Friend of mine has a more expensive AR. Around $1800
It is great quality and works great and has ambi controls
He shot my home built AR on an Aero lower with a semi custom upper with stainless barrel, 2 stage trigger, magpul furniture, and solid bcg. I built it for less than half the price of his AR
He was impressed how well mine shot for half the price,  trigger was actually better than his, weight was very similar
Overall they are very similar in accuracy and dependability. Price is very different
Some people dont mind spending more on an AR. To each their own

Friend of mine has a more expensive AR. Around $1800
It is great quality and works great and has ambi controls
He shot my home built AR on an Aero lower with a semi custom upper with stainless barrel, 2 stage trigger, magpul furniture, and solid bcg. I built it for less than half the price of his AR
He was impressed how well mine shot for half the price,  trigger was actually better than his, weight was very similar
Overall they are very similar in accuracy and dependability. Price is very different
Some people dont mind spending more on an AR. To each their own

Yup.  I've owned quite a range.  My most expensive was an LMT.  Got interested early on and ended up selling the upper.  Personal preference, but wanted to try the range to experience for myself. 

Definitely not an "upper end" AR snob.  Many folks have a "just as good as" approach.  My personal approach is "trust but verify", and "your money, you do you". . . 

Purist here.
Best shot in the world with a POS will out shoot the poorest shot with a Gucci gun.
“It’s a poor craftsman who blames his tools.”
Just say'n

Purist here.
Best shot in the world with a POS will out shoot the poorest shot with a Gucci gun.
“It’s a poor craftsman who blames his tools.”
Just say'n

not if the gun malfunctions. . . aka "the dribbles" 

Purist here.
Best shot in the world with a POS will out shoot the poorest shot with a Gucci gun.
“It’s a poor craftsman who blames his tools.”
Just say'n

not if the gun malfunctions. . . aka "the dribbles" 

I like both these posts. 

With that being said, I got no problem possessing a POS that is reliable.  And definitely won't turn my nose down for an opportunity to own a gucci gun that is the same.

Once a gun seems unreliable, I really don't care how cheap or expensive it is.

I personally own a rifle that many deem as a POS.  But oh, how reliable it is.  And I bought it for only $179 back in 1979.

All comes down to usage. If for self defense, reliability is #1 since distance will be less than 20 yards, accuracy really isn't an issue.

That being said, I've taken skill builders that go up to 40 yards and seen guys with very expensive rifles have terrible grouping and even miss the 12 inch circle target.  And same guys missed the index card at 10 yards.  Indian not the arrow.

Both cheap and expensive AR's functioned fine. The only jams I have seen was cause a guy likes to tinker with his rifles all the time. Even  AK jams due to tinkering too much. Set it and forget it.  Gas set wrong, trigger fell out (roll in came loose), optic loose, etc...

Now the above is for your recreational shooters (shoots 1-4x a month).  IDK how reliability would work with an AR that was used 3-4x a week for months/years.

Personally, I have a $500 S&W M&P Sport II and she runs fine.  I replaced the S&W buffer spring because Geissele had a sale, not because it was having issues.  But the compression difference was pretty big.   I did put in aftermarket trigger and hand guard shortly after buying it, so unknown how the factor parts would have held up after 4 years.

Unlike Mrs. CMO's bolt (cracked), mine works fine so far and her bolt that had a crack in it was like 2 years newer than mine.

I would say if your an instructor, then you need a more expensive name brand AR.  Mainly for street credit of course.  I mean you don't see John Lovell (Warrior Poet) with an Anderson AR build.  He prob could run it like a champ though (Indian).

IDK much about AR's and distance shooting, but I would assume a DD is more accurate than a M&P past 300 yards. Same Indian and same type of optic.  Correct if wrong.  If it isn't more accurate, then name brand and flexing would be the only reason to get 1.  That being said, I dont' see myself buying a DD or Noveske.  I would not want to put her in the dirt if I did get 1 of these expensive AR's.  Same reason why I don't buy expensive pistols like a NightHawk or Wilson 1911.

All comes down to usage. If for self defense, reliability is #1 since distance will be less than 20 yards, accuracy really isn't an issue.

That being said, I've taken skill builders that go up to 40 yards and seen guys with very expensive rifles have terrible grouping and even miss the 12 inch circle target.  And same guys missed the index card at 10 yards.  Indian not the arrow.

SNIP

Don't think that is a "grouping" or hardware issue.  More a software issue. . .

I like both these posts. 

With that being said, I got no problem possessing a POS that is reliable.  And definitely won't turn my nose down for an opportunity to own a gucci gun that is the same.

Once a gun seems unreliable, I really don't care how cheap or expensive it is.

I personally own a rifle that many deem as a POS.  But oh, how reliable it is.  And I bought it for only $179 back in 1979.

If you want to try a range, lmk.  I can certainly help with setting up with a range day to "sampo" a variety. 

All comes down to....


Now the above is for your recreational shooters (shoots 1-4x a month).  IDK how reliability would work with an AR that was used 3-4x a week for months/years.



Unlike Mrs. CMO's bolt (cracked), mine works fine so far and her bolt that had a crack in it was like 2 years newer than mine.

I would say if your an instructor, then you need a more expensive name brand AR.  Mainly for street credit of course.  I mean you don't see John Lovell (Warrior Poet) with an Anderson AR build.  He prob could run it like a champ though (Indian).

  it all boils down to usage honestly not very many people here run their rifle hard I know because I don't think I've seen anybody run a 1000 rounds in a singe day here and at that matter days in a row or multiple times a week. I happen to have real time experience because of my job and seeing rentals or "budget builds"crash due to " JUST AS GUUD RIFLES" 🤣 that being said recreational  just as guud will do. Anyone with a somewhat serious training agenda won't or shouldn't stoop below a certain  threshold and probably based on namesake reputation

nothing wrong with Anderson aka the "cheap pony"

If you want to try a range, lmk.  I can certainly help with setting up with a range day to "sampo" a variety.

TFTI

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  it all boils down to usage honestly not very many people here run their rifle hard I know because I don't think I've seen anybody run a 1000 rounds in a singe day here and at that matter days in a row or multiple times a week. I happen to have real time experience because of my job and seeing rentals or "budget builds"crash due to " JUST AS GUUD RIFLES" 🤣 that being said recreational  just as guud will do. Anyone with a somewhat serious training agenda won't or shouldn't stoop below a certain  threshold and probably based on namesake reputation

1000 rounds in a single day?  That's some old school Magpul action, aka ballistic masturbation.    Most I've shot is 400-500 in a day and a little over 1200 5.56 over three days, plus 9 mm.  I remember feeling wiped out after that.

TFTI

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Bring ammo. . .

  it all boils down to usage honestly not very many people here run their rifle hard I know because I don't think I've seen anybody run a 1000 rounds in a singe day here and at that matter days in a row or multiple times a week. I happen to have real time experience because of my job and seeing rentals or "budget builds"crash due to " JUST AS GUUD RIFLES" 🤣 that being said recreational  just as guud will do. Anyone with a somewhat serious training agenda won't or shouldn't stoop below a certain  threshold and probably based on namesake reputation

  it all boils down to usage honestly not very many people here run their rifle hard I know because I don't think I've seen anybody run a 1000 rounds in a singe day here and at that matter days in a row or multiple times a week. I happen to have real time experience because of my job and seeing rentals or "budget builds"crash due to " JUST AS GUUD RIFLES" 🤣 that being said recreational  just as guud will do. Anyone with a somewhat serious training agenda won't or shouldn't stoop below a certain  threshold and probably based on namesake reputation

Your still functioning ? 
Good to hear.

   I miss the GTG's.
Good times, good times.