Law suit soon?

Yeah, where can the rifle owners go to exercise their 2a rights?

How about those who engage in skeet and trap?  Where can they go to enjoy their hobby?

Yeah, where can the rifle owners go to exercise their 2a rights?

How about those who engage in skeet and trap?  Where can they go to enjoy their hobby?

You may be unclear on the concept................

You have to wonder when local cops are finally going to figure out they are being set up to fail

HPD being set-up to fail?  You gotta be kidding me.

HPD, at least, in its leadership is rotten corrupt at its core.  They would be more than happy to do the bidding to whoever is giving them money.

There’s the HPD brass and there’s the grunts. They had an ideological purge with the vax mandates and now are seriously understaffed. Soros roadmap for civil instability is still in play, but it does seem different than the rest of the nation. Maybe too many elites have mansions here.

I don't think this is true. Do you have a reference? Federal law enforcement officers may not CCW when not on official duty, but they certainly have arrest powers. People think that sheriffs cannot pull you over if you're on C&C property, but this is a myth. I'm thinking you're confusing LEOSA with something else?

Sheriffs, DLNR, and AG Agents have state wide police power they do not need peace officer status. Local PDs can generally go to outter islands armed if on official duty and cleared by island Chief or to assist. This used to be whenntheybattended meetings or did recruitment trips, but most recently you seen this with HPD on Mauna Kea. The local prosecutors offices also general have the ability to deputize federal law enforcement officers to work with prosecution investigators. This is not too common. Other than that, Feds are not afforded peace officer status in Hawaii (couple kooky provisions allow CBP very limited peace officer status under very specific circumstances) Feds can carry pretty much anywhere except state and fed courts. Fed agencies generally have agents register their personal weapons (usually pistols) as agency weapons so even personal weapons are considered service weapons when shtf and they smoke someone. Feds have no peace officer authority to enforce HRS, but generally can intervene if they observe a felony. But they cant be blue lighting people up for speeding and stuff like in the mainland. Probably pull up 20 articles on peace officer status in Hawaii if you search.

Whatever the rules or laws, seems to be ignored.

Deedy sure was not inconvenienced from CCW and lighting up a moke when getting his arse kicked.

Right or wrong for killing the kid, he was tooled up for action and figured he was allowed to be.

I am absolutely against any LE carrying concealed off duty if regular citizens cannot.

Hawaii will never allow feds to usurp local authority. In fact, Hawaii is one of a few states that does not afford peace officer status to federal law enforcement. This is why feds can never pull you over for traffic stops on state and city roads. Some feds donhave ticketing power  on fed lands like Haleakala, the airport, and some parks, as well as military property. This forces feds tonwork with local agencies instead of doing traffic stops unrelated to a federal crime. Hawaii wants more local police policing and trust me HPD will be ordered to dirty everyone up if CCW is ever granted.

Sheriffs, DLNR, and AG Agents have state wide police power they do not need peace officer status. Local PDs can generally go to outter islands armed if on official duty and cleared by island Chief or to assist. This used to be whenntheybattended meetings or did recruitment trips, but most recently you seen this with HPD on Mauna Kea. The local prosecutors offices also general have the ability to deputize federal law enforcement officers to work with prosecution investigators. This is not too common. Other than that, Feds are not afforded peace officer status in Hawaii (couple kooky provisions allow CBP very limited peace officer status under very specific circumstances) Feds can carry pretty much anywhere except state and fed courts. Fed agencies generally have agents register their personal weapons (usually pistols) as agency weapons so even personal weapons are considered service weapons when shtf and they smoke someone. Feds have no peace officer authority to enforce HRS, but generally can intervene if they observe a felony. But they cant be blue lighting people up for speeding and stuff like in the mainland. Probably pull up 20 articles on peace officer status in Hawaii if you search.

I'm still trying to understand exactly what you're trying to say. Your two posts some across as somewhat different.

-Federal police do not "usurp" local authority in a great majority of cases anywhere, not just in Hawaii. For the most part, federal police enforce federal laws, not local laws.
-Federal police do not count as "law enforcement officers" if they are not in Hawaii on official business according to state law. I know the term "peace officer" is used elsewhere, but I'm not sure it's used in Hawaii, at least not anymore. Can you explain this term and how you intend to apply it?
-Federal police absolutely have arrest powers in Hawaii, but as mentioned before, they only enforce federal law. Federal police can certainly enact an arrest by "lighting you up" if they have the legal compulsion to do so.

It sounds to me like you're saying Hawaii has something against Federal Police, but I just don't think that's the case.

Sheriffs, DLNR, and AG Agents have state wide police power they do not need peace officer status. Local PDs can generally go to outter islands armed if on official duty and cleared by island Chief or to assist. This used to be whenntheybattended meetings or did recruitment trips, but most recently you seen this with HPD on Mauna Kea. The local prosecutors offices also general have the ability to deputize federal law enforcement officers to work with prosecution investigators. This is not too common. Other than that, Feds are not afforded peace officer status in Hawaii (couple kooky provisions allow CBP very limited peace officer status under very specific circumstances) Feds can carry pretty much anywhere except state and fed courts. Fed agencies generally have agents register their personal weapons (usually pistols) as agency weapons so even personal weapons are considered service weapons when shtf and they smoke someone. Feds have no peace officer authority to enforce HRS, but generally can intervene if they observe a felony. But they cant be blue lighting people up for speeding and stuff like in the mainland. Probably pull up 20 articles on peace officer status in Hawaii if you search.

That’s a fascinating take and I’ll pay more attention to it going forward. Even the Miske raids were made with local LEAs participating. Come to think of it I have heard plenty of mainland stories about getting visits for oil filters and other nonsense but haven’t heard a peep about that happening here.

Whatever the rules or laws, seems to be ignored.

Deedy sure was not inconvenienced from CCW and lighting up a moke when getting his arse kicked.

Right or wrong for killing the kid, he was tooled up for action and figured he was allowed to be.

I am absolutely against any LE carrying concealed off duty if regular citizens cannot.

"I am absolutely against any LE carrying concealed off duty if regular citizens cannot."

One THOUSAND percent in agreement.

After the last few years I'm wondering if street cops should be allowed to carry guns at all.
It might make them be more cognizant of the importance of the confrontation
they are initiating.
Correspondingly,  punishment upon conviction of killing an unarmed cop is to be swift. like death, 7 days after
an appeal that upholds that  conviction.
 

That’s a fascinating take and I’ll pay more attention to it going forward. Even the Miske raids were made with local LEAs participating. Come to think of it I have heard plenty of mainland stories about getting visits for oil filters and other nonsense but haven’t heard a peep about that happening here.

Thats cause no where to test it, compared to mainland properties.

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The lead angle works for shutting down schools too
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/11/01/ongoing-dispute-state-seeks-more-proof-lead-hilo-preschool-has-been-dealt-with/