So what’s your thoughts on the revised proficiency test. It seems much easier than the one had originally.

The shooting proficiency for all other applicants shall be as follows, for which the applicant shall attain a minimum score of 75 out ofa possible 125 points:
Three-yard line: 2 rounds in 6 seconds from the applicant's holster; three times (6 rounds / 4 second draw - 2 second split).
(In)
(iv) (V)
Five-yard line: 2 rounds in 6 seconds from the applicant's holster; two times (4 rounds / 4 second draw - 2 second split).
Seven-yard line: 5rounds in 13 seconds from the applicant's holster; onetime (5 rounds / 4 second draw - 2.25 second split).
Ten-yard line: 5 rounds i n 15 seconds from the applicant's holster; one time (5 rounds / 4 second draw - 2.75 secondsplit). Fifteen-yard line: 5 rounds in 20 seconds from the applicant's holster; one time (5 rounds / 4 second draw - 4 second split).

Where is this revised proficiency test posted? I checked HPD website and I didn’t see any update to Rules.

Where is this revised proficiency test posted? I checked HPD website and I didn’t see any update to Rules.

https://www.honolulupd.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Chapter-15-of-the-Rules-of-the-Chief-of-Police-1.pdf

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I’m wondering where the general public is supposed to train for these requirements. Without spending a fortune on indoor range fees.

I’m wondering where the general public is supposed to train for these requirements. Without spending a fortune on indoor range fees.

"Supposed?"  That assumes they expect ANYONE to pass the test ever.

There are no certified trainers, the public range is closed, and even if the range opens, are there going to be enough trained RSOs willing to return to run it?

Jump through all of these hoops and find out there is no place to CCW legally.

Looks like this will be the reality.

I'm over it.  The heck with these infringements on our constitutional rights just ruled on by SCOTUS.

I'm over it.  The heck with these infringements on our constitutional rights just ruled on by SCOTUS.

Catalina wine mixer?


so this is why some folks are driven to the Ainokea Carry?

This morning HNN reported that Chief Logan said these "rules" will ensure that "inexperienced" gun owners are vetted out of the CCW process.

I'm not sure how everyone who supports 2a feels about this, but I for one feel this is total Bullsh*t.

Very few people are "experienced" in shooting people in self defense.

Not to mention they are not giving the law abiding citizen the benefit of the doubt that they will continue to train and be responsible gun owners.

Of course they shouldn't fault us if there is no place to train......

This morning HNN reported that Chief Logan said these "rules" will ensure that "inexperienced" gun owners are vetted out of the CCW process.

I'm not sure how everyone who supports 2a feels about this, but I for one feel this is total Bullsh*t.

Very few people are "experienced" in shooting people in self defense.

Not to mention they are not giving the law abiding citizen the benefit of the doubt that they will continue to train and be responsible gun owners.

Of course they shouldn't fault us if there is no place to train......

somewhere in there is an idea for a comment about all the stabbings, folks that carry a knife for SD and general utility, and must be they're not "inexperienced" stabbers since that's not regulated or controlled.  oh wait, did they try to regulate knives in London, UK?   

Does anyone know how the points are calculated?   I assume that 125 possible points with 25 rounds means 5 points possible per round but are partial points possible?

The "approved" individual administering the test is the biggest hurdle.

As far as the test itself, the rules didn't specify which "NRA certified target".  Or at least I didn't see it. Assuming it's one of the B27-B29 series, seems like they have a typo or someone envisioned the scoring in a strange way.  A$$ume the scoring is max 9 per shot on B29 and max total should be 126.  Can't figure out a different logical method. 

There's a good video I saw recently (I think ASP) on why the B29 for context of defensive training isn't a good idea.  The IPSC/USPSA target is a good metric and "unofficially" I am sure a good "approved" instructor could figure something out.   

The "approved" individual administering the test is the biggest hurdle.

As far as the test itself, the rules didn't specify which "NRA certified target".  Or at least I didn't see it. Assuming it's one of the B27-B29 series, seems like they have a typo or someone envisioned the scoring in a strange way.  A$$ume the scoring is max 9 per shot on B29 and max total should be 126.  Can't figure out a different logical method. 

There's a good video I saw recently (I think ASP) on why the B29 for context of defensive training isn't a good idea.  The IPSC/USPSA target is a good metric and "unofficially" I am sure a good "approved" instructor could figure something out.   

Since it's 25rds required, I was looking at 5pts for 10 ring, 4.5 for 9 ring,etc... So divide score by 2.

This morning HNN reported that Chief Logan said these "rules" will ensure that "inexperienced" gun owners are vetted out of the CCW process.

I'm not sure how everyone who supports 2a feels about this, but I for one feel this is total Bullsh*t.

Very few people are "experienced" in shooting people in self defense.

Not to mention they are not giving the law abiding citizen the benefit of the doubt that they will continue to train and be responsible gun owners.

Of course they shouldn't fault us if there is no place to train......

When I spoke to Logan and expressed my concern for people not being able to practice, like say pregnant or breast feeding women who should stay away from loud noises like gun shots and inhalation of chemicals, he said, "well they can wait until they're able to".  Which would imply a few years of no CCW.  This is how he truly feels about the 2a.

Since it's 25rds required, I was looking at 5pts for 10 ring, 4.5 for 9 ring,etc... So divide score by 2.

Ahh, nvm.  Some of them have multiple strings.  Didn't catch that. 

For 25 rounds, divide by 2 makes about as much sense as anything.  Given the par times and size of the 9 ring, the standards doesn't sound bad.  Yeah, some training/practice for those who shoot infrequently might be helpful.  However, for most on this board, I think a practice run would suffice. 

For you CMO, since you're gtg, I expect to see 120/125. . . 

This morning HNN reported that Chief Logan said these "rules" will ensure that "inexperienced" gun owners are vetted out of the CCW process.

I'm not sure how everyone who supports 2a feels about this, but I for one feel this is total Bullsh*t.

Very few people are "experienced" in shooting people in self defense.

Not to mention they are not giving the law abiding citizen the benefit of the doubt that they will continue to train and be responsible gun owners.

Of course they shouldn't fault us if there is no place to train......

Maybe inexperienced voters should have to prove proficiency too.... I mean we are dealing with RIGHTS and not privileges like driving a car or anything. Lord knows driving through Waipahu is an experience everyone should go through.

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Ahh, nvm.  Some of them have multiple strings.  Didn't catch that. 

For 25 rounds, divide by 2 makes about as much sense as anything.  Given the par times and size of the 9 ring, the standards doesn't sound bad.  Yeah, some training/practice for those who shoot infrequently might be helpful.  However, for most on this board, I think a practice run would suffice. 

For you CMO, since you're gtg, I expect to see 120/125. . . 

tangarine...

If only you owned firearms, you could take the prof test. . . oh, and a holster. . .

If only you owned firearms, you could take the prof test. . . oh, and a holster. . .

Or purse. Don't assume the carry method.