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rhayder

Donald Trump proposes Termination of U.S. Constitution
« on: December 04, 2022, 12:44:22 PM »
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macsak

Donald Trump lives permanently rent-free in many people's HEADS...
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2022, 01:02:02 PM »
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Donald Trump proposes Termination of U.S. Constitution
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2022, 01:46:02 PM »
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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drck1000

Re: Donald Trump lives permanently rent-free in many people's HEADS...
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2022, 01:49:18 PM »
Quote from: macsak on December 04, 2022, 01:02:02 PM

Hears what it wants to hear. Don’t say anything about terminating the constitution.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Donald Trump proposes Termination of U.S. Constitution
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2022, 02:06:50 PM »
What Trump pointed out is how messed up the election system is.

UNTIL the fraud is PROVEN IN COURT, the election process is allowed to roll along, and anyone questioning the integrity of the PROCESS (not the election or Constitution) is shouted down as conspiracy theory nuts and insurrectionists.

AFTER the fraud is discovered and PROVEN, there's no real remedy unless the election hasn't been certified or the winner sworn in.  Morally, the winner should resign if they had any hand in the fraud.  Anyone who directly participated in it should go to prison.  Any co-conspirators should also serve time.

Right now, the same people benefitting from the fraud are in the position to investigate, try and remedy the stolen elections.  Good luck getting them to do anything.  Nothing will happen unless THEY become the election-fraud victims.  Unfortunately, it appears most of the time, only the Dems benefit from the shady election results.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Donald Trump lives permanently rent-free in many people's HEADS...
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2022, 02:09:56 PM »
Quote from: rhayder on December 04, 2022, 02:07:44 PM
The consensus is bipartisan. Trump is rebuked by both parties. Critical thinking is a skill.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Former President Donald Trump faced rebuke Sunday from officials in both parties after calling for the “termination” of parts of the Constitution over his lie that the 2020 election was stolen.

https://apnews.com/article/social-media-donald-trump-8e6e2f0a092135428c82c0cfa6598444


From the same geniuses that want to repeal the Second Amendment and lower the voting age.

One man's Constitutional criticism is another man's treason.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: Donald Trump proposes Termination of U.S. Constitution
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2022, 02:14:26 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on December 04, 2022, 02:06:50 PM
What Trump pointed out is how messed up the election system is.

UNTIL the fraud is PROVEN IN COURT, the election process is allowed to roll along, and anyone questioning the integrity of the PROCESS (not the election or Constitution) is shouted down as conspiracy theory nuts and insurrectionists.

AFTER the fraud is discovered and PROVEN, there's no real remedy unless the election hasn't been certified or the winner sworn in.  Morally, the winner should resign if they had any hand in the fraud.  Anyone who directly participated in it should go to prison.  Any co-conspirators should also serve time.

Right now, the same people benefitting from the fraud are in the position to investigate, try and remedy the stolen elections.  Good luck getting them to do anything.  Nothing will happen unless THEY become the election-fraud victims.  Unfortunately, it appears most of the time, only the Dems benefit from the shady election results.
But eh, critical thinking. The tweet doesn’t even say what it is stating it says. Like what it says is always fact.

It doesn’t realize one doesn’t need critical thinking to see right through its BS. Just that. It’s statements are BS.
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drck1000

Re: Donald Trump lives permanently rent-free in many people's HEADS...
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2022, 02:17:49 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on December 04, 2022, 02:09:56 PM
From the same geniuses that want to repeal the Second Amendment and lower the voting age.

One man's Constitutional criticism is another man's treason.
You’re arguing with the genius of the forum.

I personally don’t like Trump. Think he’s a buffoon. But it thinks everyone loves Trump. 🤦🏻‍♂️
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Donald Trump proposes Termination of U.S. Constitution
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2022, 02:23:08 PM »
Quote from: rhayder on December 04, 2022, 02:09:36 PM
He literally said terminate the rules including those in the U.S. Constitution.

According to the Constitution:
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Section 4
The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives,
shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at
any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing
Senators.

The Congress shall assemble at least once in every Year, and such Meeting shall be
on the first Monday in December, unless they shall by Law appoint a different Day.

The Constitution gives some leeway to Congress in order to augment the rules in the document.  Trump is correct in stating the rules should be evaluated and possibly changed.  If that required a Constitutional Convention, it would take too long.

The genius in what the founders created is that it CAN be changed.

They understood that no man or government can predict the future, nor are they so wise that they are infallible.

There are 27 Amendments to the Constitution.  In nearly 250 years, the nation has seen fit to make changes 27 times.  The process to amend the document is as difficult as it is for a reason -- changes should not be made for political reasons, but to correct errors or to keep up with relevant societal changes, like the abolition of slavery.

Trump suggesting that the Constitution doesn't stop the states from cheating in elections is an opinion -- which is his right as an American to express,

You, on the other hand, have only hate and lies.

I bet if someone advocated for changing the Constitution so abortion and healthcare become rights, you'd be all for it.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Donald Trump proposes Termination of U.S. Constitution
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2022, 02:27:05 PM »
Quote from: rhayder on December 04, 2022, 02:11:40 PM
Unfortunately there are those people that believe that Trump can do no wrong and agree with 100% of the nonsense.

Is that worse than someone who doesn't believe Trump 100% of the time even before he makes a statement?
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: Donald Trump proposes Termination of U.S. Constitution
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2022, 02:27:45 PM »
please show where anyone said he can do no wrong or agreed...

Quote from: rhayder on December 04, 2022, 02:11:40 PM
Unfortunately there are those people that believe that Trump can do no wrong and agree with 100% of the nonsense.
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ren

Re: Rhayder is the reason Kokohead shutdown
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2022, 03:54:20 PM »
Trump hasn't been President since 2020 ??? What a powerful figure he is  to have such a legacy :thumbsup:
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Rhayder is the reason Kokohead shutdown
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2022, 06:27:11 PM »
Quote from: ren on December 04, 2022, 03:54:20 PM
Trump hasn't been President since 2020 ??? What a powerful figure he is  to have such a legacy :thumbsup:

It's hilarious the Democrats violate the Constitution every time they want something but the rules get in their way.

But, when someone actually suggests changing the rules to stop the violators, everyone (on the Left) loses their minds!

A bunch of states have been found to have enacted unconstitutional rules for the 2020 election, pretending COVID and "EMERGENCY!" were enough justification to not only violate the law of the land, but to violate the oath they swore -- many of them having sworn that oath more than a couple of times in their lives.

Stop trying to pretend you give a damn about Trump's comments.  The Dems have been trying on many occasions the past few decades to change it because they find it too difficult to win if they are forced to obey the law.

Hence the blatant unconstitutional actions that got Biden elected.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Donald Trump proposes Termination of U.S. Constitution
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2022, 07:26:25 PM »
Quote from: rhayder on December 04, 2022, 12:44:22 PM
You can't make this stuff up.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/109449803240069864

The constitution says that if tyrants hijack the government we are supposed to overthrow them

I believe you took an oath that said something something “foreign and domestic”
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Rocky

Re: Donald Trump proposes Termination of U.S. Constitution
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2022, 07:44:47 AM »
He literally said " allows for the termination".
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drck1000

Re: Donald Trump proposes Termination of U.S. Constitution
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2022, 08:15:42 AM »
Quote from: Rocky on December 05, 2022, 07:44:47 AM
He literally said " allows for the termination".

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He literally said terminate the rules including those in the U.S. Constitution.


lit·er·al·ly
/ˈlidərəlē,ˈlitrəlē/
Learn to pronounce
adverb
in a literal manner or sense; exactly.

From the tweet:

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A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution

Maybe dealing with too many attorneys lately, but I don't take the above as "Donald proposing termination of the Constitution".  What I thought he was saying was more along the lines of that his stance is that fraud occurred and was facilitated (allowed) by certain rules, regulations, and articles.  Where power exercised by some election officials were at least questionable. 

I read through the other posts, and I can see FJ's angle as well.

What I DO NOT see, is Trump stating a position to terminate the rules of the Constitution.  That's the problem with simple minded sheep, who only see hatred or the other side.  And that applies BOTH ways.

A couple of weeks ago, I was talking with a buddy of a good friend.   They were best man in each other's weddings, but they don't even speak to each other because both sides have "extremist views".  I heard the guy out and how he was against what his friend said.  My take was a lot of embellishment and reading into and/or inserting his own bias, making the statement seem more outrageous.  Mind you that I've had the same conversation with the other friend.  Anyways, my point is that a simple statement can be magnified like it is here. . .

BTW, you've met the "other friend" noted above. 

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changemyoil66

Re: Donald Trump proposes Termination of U.S. Constitution
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2022, 08:47:27 AM »
Quote from: drck1000 on December 05, 2022, 08:15:42 AM

lit·er·al·ly
/ˈlidərəlē,ˈlitrəlē/
Learn to pronounce
adverb
in a literal manner or sense; exactly.

From the tweet:

Maybe dealing with too many attorneys lately, but I don't take the above as "Donald proposing termination of the Constitution".  What I thought he was saying was more along the lines of that his stance is that fraud occurred and was facilitated (allowed) by certain rules, regulations, and articles.  Where power exercised by some election officials were at least questionable. 

I read through the other posts, and I can see FJ's angle as well.

What I DO NOT see, is Trump stating a position to terminate the rules of the Constitution.  That's the problem with simple minded sheep, who only see hatred or the other side.  And that applies BOTH ways.

A couple of weeks ago, I was talking with a buddy of a good friend.   They were best man in each other's weddings, but they don't even speak to each other because both sides have "extremist views".  I heard the guy out and how he was against what his friend said.  My take was a lot of embellishment and reading into and/or inserting his own bias, making the statement seem more outrageous.  Mind you that I've had the same conversation with the other friend.  Anyways, my point is that a simple statement can be magnified like it is here. . .

BTW, you've met the "other friend" noted above.

I didn't look into this, but if OP is making a statement and a position, I will assume it's wrong. Which after reading these post in reply, I was correct.  It's like the Occupy Democrats Twitter, but at least they have a higher accuracy rate.  But most of what they post is wrong.

All joking about focus aside, OP has no focus.  Reminds me of someone else who would post links because the title successfully caught them and didn't read the substance of the article.
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drck1000

Re: Donald Trump proposes Termination of U.S. Constitution
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2022, 09:05:17 AM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on December 05, 2022, 08:47:27 AM
I didn't look into this, but if OP is making a statement and a position, I will assume it's wrong. Which after reading these post in reply, I was correct.  It's like the Occupy Democrats Twitter, but at least they have a higher accuracy rate.  But most of what they post is wrong.

All joking about focus aside, OP has no focus.  Reminds me of someone else who would post links because the title successfully caught them and didn't read the substance of the article.
That's also what I was getting at.  Folks read a headline, which is pretty much click bait level.  Then they repost, many times not even having taken time to digest what they are passing on.  Or if they do take some time to read, they are already so charged up and filled with anti hate, that they take whatever is being said in the bias of the headline.  No critical thinking, or thinking for one's self.  Interesting that the OP spews stuff like lack of critical thinking.  Inserting personal opinion is not critical thinking.  Might as well provide "news" like Michael W Perry. . .  ::)
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Basss Monkey

Re: Donald Trump proposes Termination of U.S. Constitution
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2022, 09:27:29 AM »
Reverse psychology maybe.

Dems will be on the news tonight saying we support the constitution, especially if Trump wants it gone!!  They even support the 2nd amendment... oh wait...
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changemyoil66

Re: Donald Trump proposes Termination of U.S. Constitution
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2022, 09:47:29 AM »
Quote from: Basss Monkey on December 05, 2022, 09:27:29 AM
Reverse psychology maybe.

Dems will be on the news tonight saying we support the constitution, especially if Trump wants it gone!!  They even support the 2nd amendment... oh wait...

I mean they all of a sudden support Jews after Kanye's speech.
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