Sorry, several people responded but I didn't want to multi-quote to save space.

I'm really worried about "predatory" 911 callers once CCW's are issued. I know what "Plain View" is, but when it comes to concealment, I have no idea what "Ordinary View" is. Does that mean someone's garment has lifted, revealing the firearm? How long has the garment been lifted? Does "printing" mean a firearm has come under "ordinary view"? How does "Stop & Frisk" type law apply to this in regards to "reasonable sus" and "prob cause"?

I understand people don't want CCW'ers "brandishing" or otherwise displaying weapons, but the way the concealment laws work is just too dangerous to lawful gun owners.

Technically, the Chief said to report Open Carrying.

That's a lot different than printing while Concealed Carrying.

So, if the Cops show up, as long as you have a carry license and weren't Open Carrying, nothing should happen.  The current laws don't address printing or accidentally exposing a concealed firearm.

That might change soon, but as long as you have a license and were not open carrying, this whole issue is a nothing burger.

Meanwhile, in this weeks news . . .

Woman hospitalized in serious condition after stabbing in Kaaawa

Elderly man viciously stabbed to death in Kaneohe, suspect at large

Police continue investigation after officers fatally shoot armed man in Waikīkī

HPD: Suspect arrested in connection to Waikiki beating that left 21-year-old dead

So, if the Cops show up, as long as you have a carry license and weren't Open Carrying, nothing should happen.  The current laws don't address printing or accidentally exposing a concealed firearm.

That might change soon, but as long as you have a license and were not open carrying, this whole issue is a nothing burger.

You are assuming the carrying person lives long enough to do all that.   
With the polices shoot first and ask questions later, good luck with that.

You are assuming the carrying person lives long enough to do all that.   
With the polices shoot first and ask questions later, good luck with that.

see the video from the waikiki police involved shooting the other day...

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=497385725823646&set=a.422659679962918

Conceal carry is here. And you don't need to worry about it.
In the next few weeks, residents will be issued concealed carry permits. It's important that we understand what this means.
Hawaii law separates carrying firearms into two separate categories, open and concealed. Intentionally or not, the media seems to be using the terms interchangeably.
Open carry is what we see police officers and security guards doing. The firearm is in the open, unobstructed from view. 
Concealed carry is what private citizens do. The firearm is obstructed from view, not in plain sight.
Government employees, via the media, keep insinuating that people will be walking around openly carrying firearms and that all of a sudden, the public will see guns on the hips of people everywhere. This is simply false. Open carry of firearms is still restricted to those who are employed in the protection of persons or property.
Concealed carry, however, is here. Licensed individuals will be able to carry firearms on their person, hidden from casual viewing. These people have passed background checks, received training, and taken a firearms proficiency test. These people are law-abiding citizens who want to exercise their right to bear arms to defend themselves and their loved ones. 
These people are our family, friends, and neighbors. They are our doctors, our dentists, our mechanics, and our teachers. They are not criminals, drug users, or mentally ill. They are the same people you interact with every day without fear.
The media hype over guns on our streets is just that HYPE. With 6% of the country's population having a CCW license, you have nothing to worry about. If you have visited another state, you have interacted with armed citizens.
Law-abiding citizens carrying firearms are not who you should be worried about. The criminal element who are already carrying guns and hurting people are. Instead of worrying about those obeying the law, pressure your government to do better in catching and punishing criminals. That is what will make Hawaii safer.

dentists are not doctors...

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=497385725823646&set=a.422659679962918

Conceal carry is here. And you don't need to worry about it.
In the next few weeks, residents will be issued concealed carry permits. It's important that we understand what this means.
Hawaii law separates carrying firearms into two separate categories, open and concealed. Intentionally or not, the media seems to be using the terms interchangeably.
Open carry is what we see police officers and security guards doing. The firearm is in the open, unobstructed from view. 
Concealed carry is what private citizens do. The firearm is obstructed from view, not in plain sight.
Government employees, via the media, keep insinuating that people will be walking around openly carrying firearms and that all of a sudden, the public will see guns on the hips of people everywhere. This is simply false. Open carry of firearms is still restricted to those who are employed in the protection of persons or property.
Concealed carry, however, is here. Licensed individuals will be able to carry firearms on their person, hidden from casual viewing. These people have passed background checks, received training, and taken a firearms proficiency test. These people are law-abiding citizens who want to exercise their right to bear arms to defend themselves and their loved ones. 
These people are our family, friends, and neighbors. They are our doctors, our dentists, our mechanics, and our teachers. They are not criminals, drug users, or mentally ill. They are the same people you interact with every day without fear.
The media hype over guns on our streets is just that HYPE. With 6% of the country's population having a CCW license, you have nothing to worry about. If you have visited another state, you have interacted with armed citizens.
Law-abiding citizens carrying firearms are not who you should be worried about. The criminal element who are already carrying guns and hurting people are. Instead of worrying about those obeying the law, pressure your government to do better in catching and punishing criminals. That is what will make Hawaii safer.

dentists are not doctors...

That’s per goofy green!

dentists are not doctors...

In his defense, he did separate the two.       
 

Technically, the Chief said to report Open Carrying.

That's a lot different than printing while Concealed Carrying.

So, if the Cops show up, as long as you have a carry license and weren't Open Carrying, nothing should happen.  The current laws don't address printing or accidentally exposing a concealed firearm.

That might change soon, but as long as you have a license and were not open carrying, this whole issue is a nothing burger.

If you are carrying concealed per your concealed carry permit, and someone sees that you are carrying (either in plain view like your shirt hiked up, or via printing), that’s grounds for immediate revocation of your permit. Rules of the Chief of Police.

15-12 Definitions

“‘Concealed’ means entirely hidden from view and not discernible by ordinary observation, even if covered by clothing, such that a reasonable person without law enforcement training would be able to detect the presence of a firearm” (emphasis added)

15-27 Revocation
“(1) The following will immediately result in revocation of all of a licensee’s Concealed Licenses:
…
(C) Where a licensee who doesn’t possess an Unconcealed License has been found carrying a firearm that is not concealed.”

Doesn’t say whether responding officers have the authority to immediately revoke the license, take possession of the firearm, etc.

If you are carrying concealed per your concealed carry permit, and someone sees that you are carrying (either in plain view like your shirt hiked up, or via printing), that’s grounds for immediate revocation of your permit. Rules of the Chief of Police.

15-12 Definitions

“‘Concealed’ means entirely hidden from view and not discernible by ordinary observation, even if covered by clothing, such that a reasonable person without law enforcement training would be able to detect the presence of a firearm” (emphasis added)

15-27 Revocation
“(1) The following will immediately result in revocation of all of a licensee’s Concealed Licenses:
…
(C) Where a licensee who doesn’t possess an Unconcealed License has been found carrying a firearm that is not concealed.”

Doesn’t say whether responding officers have the authority to immediately revoke the license, take possession of the firearm, etc.

You missed my point.

The Chief's words were "Open Carrying" as it relates to having 911 called.  That's not the same as failing to conceal a firearm completely while concealed carrying.

Words mean things.  You can't claim someone is open carrying just because the gun was unintentionally 'unconcealed.'

Technically, the Chief said to report Open Carrying.

That's a lot different than printing while Concealed Carrying.

So, if the Cops show up, as long as you have a carry license and weren't Open Carrying, nothing should happen.  The current laws don't address printing or accidentally exposing a concealed firearm.

That might change soon, but as long as you have a license and were not open carrying, this whole issue is a nothing burger.

That part is what I was talking about.  Something WILL happen; it shouldn’t be an arrest, but you can expect to have your license revoked.

That part is what I was talking about.  Something WILL happen; it shouldn’t be an arrest, but you can expect to have your license revoked.

I don't think that's a guarantee.  Just because someone reports you doesn't mean your gun was visible.

Ever have a car crash?  Unless the Cops witnessed it, they only write up the report and let the insurance companies hash out blame.

So, without additional witnesses or photo evidence, it'll be hard to justify revoking a license solely on the word of a 911 caller.

I don't think that's a guarantee.  Just because someone reports you doesn't mean your gun was visible.

Ever have a car crash?  Unless the Cops witnessed it, they only write up the report and let the insurance companies hash out blame.

So, without additional witnesses or photo evidence, it'll be hard to justify revoking a license solely on the word of a 911 caller.

Hopefully you’re right, but keep in mind that the definition of “concealed” and the revocation criteria aren’t in the law… they’re in the HPD rules.  I think it would be completely up to the Chief to decide if you get revoked or not.  Which side do you think he’d come down on in a “he said/Karen said” situation?  Sure, you could sue… and if you win, you might get your permit back in a few years.

I don't think that's a guarantee.  Just because someone reports you doesn't mean your gun was visible.

Ever have a car crash?  Unless the Cops witnessed it, they only write up the report and let the insurance companies hash out blame.

So, without additional witnesses or photo evidence, it'll be hard to justify revoking a license solely on the word of a 911 caller.

Yeah, but you see what's gonna happen is...

-911 call reports seeing someone with a gun concealed underneath their clothing, who is, lets say, engaged in a verbal altercation with another person, yet no violence has occurred.
-Dispatcher sends police and the show up.
-As you're leaving (just words were exchanged), they Terry stop you based on the description the caller gave; pat you down for weapons, at which time they feel the "shape of a handgun handle" on the inside of your waistband.
-Now they have probably have probable cause to search you. They lift your shirt and see it is indeed a handgun.

Now, based on those hypothetical facts, what the caller observed is likely to have been true. You did have an "unconcealed handgun", discovered through reasonable search and seizure.

Police arriving on below mentioned scenario I  think would ask if you are armed at which point you would confirm if true.
They would ask if you have  a permit and you would say "yes, do you want to see it ?"
When they say yes, you SLOWLY pull the chain around your neck to pull out your permit. 
No reaching behind you for wallet or reaching in pocket required. 

   Personally, I think those without permits  should all walk around unarmed with cell phones riding high and bulky concealed beneath shirts. 
Let all of the "Karen's" make accusations and maybe we could start harassment or false accusation suits to wake them up !

Yeah, but you see what's gonna happen is...

-911 call reports seeing someone with a gun concealed underneath their clothing, who is, lets say, engaged in a verbal altercation with another person, yet no violence has occurred.
-Dispatcher sends police and the show up.
-As you're leaving (just words were exchanged), they Terry stop you based on the description the caller gave; pat you down for weapons, at which time they feel the "shape of a handgun handle" on the inside of your waistband.
-Now they have probably have probable cause to search you. They lift your shirt and see it is indeed a handgun.

Now, based on those hypothetical facts, what the caller observed is likely to have been true. You did have an "unconcealed handgun", discovered through reasonable search and seizure.

Police arriving on below mentioned scenario I  think would ask if you are armed at which point you would confirm if true.
They would ask if you have  a permit and you would say "yes, do you want to see it ?"
When they say yes, you SLOWLY pull the chain around your neck to pull out your permit. 
No reaching behind you for wallet or reaching in pocket required. 

Well, of course! If people behave rationally, everything works out. Problem is, you have people (LE and citizens) who get crazy for no reason. I've had cops yell at me for no reason at all, even when I'm doing them a favor. We've seen countless videos of citizens not obeying verbal commands and being killed.
   

Personally, I think those without permits  should all walk around unarmed with cell phones riding high and bulky concealed beneath shirts. 
Let all of the "Karen's" make accusations and maybe we could start harassment or false accusation suits to wake them up !

Time to get one of these, and put training pistols in them under a tank top. Not really gonna do it, but would help get the point across about 911 callers and calling for "printing".

Conceal one of these but let it print.

the plan is to disarm you. If you don't follow all details of CCW get arrested and charged  - you now become a criminal and all your guns are taken away.

Police arriving on below mentioned scenario I  think would ask if you are armed at which point you would confirm if true.
They would ask if you have  a permit and you would say "yes, do you want to see it ?"
When they say yes, you SLOWLY pull the chain around your neck to pull out your permit. 
No reaching behind you for wallet or reaching in pocket required. 

   Personally, I think those without permits  should all walk around unarmed with cell phones riding high and bulky concealed beneath shirts. 
Let all of the "Karen's" make accusations and maybe we could start harassment or false accusation suits to wake them up !

Besides all of that, I'm sure Hawaii laws will be "updated" now that CCW is a reality.  That may include the requirement to notify any law enforcement officer you interact with that you are carrying a concealed firearm and have a license.  No need for any probable cause or 911 descriptions for a search.

Many states have a "duty to inform" law in order to limit the "surprise!" factor should a LEO discover you're armed before being notified by you.

I remember seeing a YT video of a cop just losing it at this guy.  Their jurisdiction had a "duty to inform" law and the guy never informed the cop that he had a concealed gun and a CCW license.  I can't recall as to why the cop stopped the guy (traffic stop) but a few minutes went by then the cop noticed he had a gun under his shirt.

Cop, on discovering he was printing, went ballistic and arrested him while the guys wife was going nuts and yelling why is he being arrested.

My question is, in those jurisdictions is it mandatory for cops to ask people if they have a concealed weapon when doing routine traffic stops or similar interactions.