Constitutional Carry (Read 8402 times)

QUIETShooter

Constitutional Carry
« on: December 18, 2022, 07:02:34 AM »
Is there some way SCOTUS can rule on this subject?  Seems like 3 more states currently are considering constitutional carry.

If successful it would amount to more than half of the states having constitutional carry.  Would this be a catalyst for SCOTUS to eventually rule on this subject?

Would be nice to have constitutional carry in Hawaii.  The current "arrangement" we have now sucks.  Hawaii would never consider constitutional carry on it's own.  If there were no Bruen decision, Hawaii would continue to tell it's citizens to suck wind when it comes to CCW.

I support constitutional carry over CCW permit laws anytime, any day, and twice on Sunday.  :shaka:

Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

groveler

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2022, 07:56:46 AM »
Cane Rat ate through my Fiber connection so I've been offline for a while.
Soy insulation.  Now fixed.
"If successful it would amount to more than half of the states having constitutional carry.  Would this be a catalyst for SCOTUS to eventually rule on this subject?"
No matter how the SCOTUS rules it won't matter here.
Our friend Kuelana bitches about some "Empire".
In reality. it is the stupid shits we have to live with that are afraid of personal freedoms.
It seems to be a cultural thing unique to union members.
Largest employer in Hawaii is government.  Most are union members.
I obey all Constitutional laws. Ainokea about the union backed BS regulations.
State of Hawaii licenses me to openly carry a gun and kill things, it is called hunting.
Why should my county decide otherwise for open carry for protection of myself?
 :wtf:



Flapp_Jackson

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2022, 11:22:26 AM »
In reality, there are already 25 states with Constitutional/Permit-less carry.  Some don't include North Dakota, because they only allow permit-less carry for ND residents, but I think it still counts in the 50% total.

If you're visiting ND from a Constitutional Carry state, your out-of-state permit will be honored. This applies to all states that also honor ND carry permits.

States that don't require permits to carry still issue them to residents upon request for reciprocity purposes when traveling.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

groveler

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2022, 11:31:17 AM »
In reality, there are already 25 states with Constitutional/Permit-less carry.  Some don't include North Dakota, because they only allow permit-less carry for ND residents, but I think it still counts in the 50% total.

If you're visiting ND from a Constitutional Carry state, your out-of-state permit will be honored. This applies to all states that also honor ND carry permits.

States that don't require permits to carry still issue them to residents upon request for reciprocity purposes when traveling.
You don't know cold till you spent a winter working the flight line
Minot AFB ND.
I'm pretty sure Minnesota was warmer.
However when it comes to personal rights and freedoms
Hawaii is 3.6 Kelvins.
Look it up.

zippz

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2022, 02:57:34 PM »
It'll eventually happen, assuming we still have a favorable SCOTUS.  But it's going to be a while.  5 to 10 years I figure.

robtmc

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2022, 02:59:00 PM »
Hawaii would continue to tell it's citizens to suck wind when it comes to CCW.

Sure looks that is what you guys are doing now, what with the games HPD is playing.

groveler

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2022, 03:02:02 PM »
It'll eventually happen, assuming we still have a favorable SCOTUS.  But it's going to be a while.  5 to 10 years I figure.
Y'all know when seconds count, years DON"T.
 :grrr:

robtmc

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2022, 03:03:42 PM »
States that don't require permits to carry still issue them to residents upon request for reciprocity purposes when traveling.
One of the reasons I got my Arizona permit.  Will not set foot in Calif, so i am good for all other adjoining states.

Refuse to let Hawaii dig into my privacy with a free pass, do not plan on spending that much more of my life here to bother anyway.
Ainokea if i feel the need.

groveler

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2022, 03:17:49 PM »
One of the reasons I got my Arizona permit.  Will not set foot in Calif, so i am good for all other adjoining states.

Refuse to let Hawaii dig into my privacy with a free pass, do not plan on spending that much more of my life here to bother anyway.
Ainokea if i feel the need.
Interesting concept, just leave.
Been around the US, myself and My OPINION
is this,
I'd rather fight with Hawaii cops than anywhere else.
Easier to hunt down. Bad shots, and they cry when
 they deal with Kapuna.
I stay.
 :shaka:

oldfart

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2022, 06:03:14 PM »
Interesting concept, just leave.
Been around the US, myself and My OPINION
is this,
I'd rather fight with Hawaii cops than anywhere else.
Easier to hunt down. Bad shots, and they cry when
 they deal with Kapuna.
I stay.
 :shaka:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
What, Me Worry?

stangzilla

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2022, 08:22:10 PM »
I would love it if we have constitutional carry, but as you know we would be the last state to do so
We should keep fighting the good fight, get our ccw permits, and prove them wrong! 💪💪

RSN172

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2022, 12:24:11 AM »
I am almost 73. Just found out another one of my classmates died on the operating table today. I dunno if I have or can wait another 5 years, much less 10, to be able to freely practice a constitutional right.

But you know what? Ainokea.
Happily living in Puna

QUIETShooter

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2022, 06:50:08 AM »
I am almost 73. Just found out another one of my classmates died on the operating table today. I dunno if I have or can wait another 5 years, much less 10, to be able to freely practice a constitutional right.

But you know what? Ainokea.

I'm also at that stage in life where more and more friends and family you've grown up with are passing away.  I also wonder if constitutional carry will be a reality in my lifetime.

But there is hope for our younger 2a brothers and sisters. 

Unfortunately, Hawaii needs to be forced to comply and will never initiate these rights on their own.  Unless we gut the political landscape which as we has seen lately, is daunting to say the least.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2022, 08:38:23 AM »
I thought that there was no way HI would have CCW in my lifetime.  Or at minimum toward the end of my lifespan (age 70s, as I'm in my 30s now).  So all the work I've been helping with is for HI's children and grandchildren.

With that being said, I feel that there's no way HI will have constitutional carry.  But I was wrong with the above so who knows?

RSN172

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2022, 08:59:46 AM »

With that being said, I feel that there's no way HI will have constitutional carry.  But I was wrong with the above so who knows?

That is why I stated before, I was extremely disappointed with Thomas written decision.  He barely went half way in establishing our 2A rights.
Happily living in Puna

6716J

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2022, 11:56:11 AM »
It's funny how out of all the enumerated rights, 2A is the least offensive in terms of pure objectivity.
Free Speech - you can use offensive, derogatory, hateful, vile, slanderous language etc. and you're protected. You're forced to listen to someone's loud music on level 11 and you can't tell them to turn it down. Yet carrying a firearm can get you thrown in jail and lose your other rights for merely having a hunk of metal and plastic. It's not "doing" anything.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

changemyoil66

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2022, 12:44:30 PM »
It's funny how out of all the enumerated rights, 2A is the least offensive in terms of pure objectivity.
Free Speech - you can use offensive, derogatory, hateful, vile, slanderous language etc. and you're protected. You're forced to listen to someone's loud music on level 11 and you can't tell them to turn it down. Yet carrying a firearm can get you thrown in jail and lose your other rights for merely having a hunk of metal and plastic. It's not "doing" anything.

Their plan is to take the guns away. Once that's been done, then remove the 1a and other rights.  They are in it for the long haul as it's been in family from generation to generation as their plan.

groveler

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2022, 12:54:24 PM »
Their plan is to take the guns away. Once that's been done, then remove the 1a and other rights.  They are in it for the long haul as it's been in family from generation to generation as their plan.
That is why you don't register your guns
and keep it all in the family.
 :love:

nickelzismoney

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2022, 03:54:08 PM »
It can only be ruled on by SCOTUS if it’s brought that far. Has to go through all proper channels. They can only rule broadly when the subject of CC is brought up. If a single state gets to them about it, they will likely only rule per that state due to the scope of their limits. Ex: if California case about CC hits SCOTUS, they will only rule regarding California, not the other 49 states that haven’t adopted it yet
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robtmc

Re: Constitutional Carry
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2022, 07:16:25 PM »
Interesting concept, just leave.

Other than the weather, not much left here to really enjoy.

Liberals, blocked hiking trails, no shooting ranges, insane shipping for stuff not available local. tourists making traffic miserable,,,,Liberals........but I repeat myself.

I could go on, but after almost twenty years, I am getting tired of the same old. 
Even if I had not screwed up an ear diving, could not afford scuba here anymore.  Why I moved to take a job here to begin with.