CCW with a pistol that I changed calibers (Read 4742 times)

Nostayhome

CCW with a pistol that I changed calibers
« on: January 05, 2023, 12:29:31 PM »
  I’m still contemplating applying for a CCW. If I do, I wanted to use my registered G27 that I have since converted to 9mm.
Would anybody know if this is a problem?

HeliosRX8

Re: CCW with a pistol that I changed calibers
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2023, 12:55:46 PM »
My recent phone conversation with HPD Firearms division may help answer your question:  I purchased and registered a P365 SAS and have changed the slide to one which is marked  P365X (caliber & barrel length remained the same).  I asked the person on the phone if I needed to update my registration because it appears the submodel of my p365 has changed from SAS to X.  They initially replied that I would only need to update the registration if the caliber has changed.  I then said my concern is that the instructor for the Hawaii CCW course I am attending is asking for the firearm info and my registration says P365SAS and my slide says P365X.  HPD's reply was that if it's for CCW, I would need to bring it in for inspection and update the registration, so it matches what is submitted for my CCW License. 

I will suggest to them that the model is only "P365" and with Sig Sauers inherent interchangeability between sub models i.e. SAS, X, XL, that the sub model is not relevant on the registration form because the same serialized and registered fire control unit may be used in any P365 sub model.

Nostayhome

Re: CCW with a pistol that I changed calibers
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2023, 12:59:02 PM »
My recent phone conversation with HPD Firearms division may help answer your question:  I purchased and registered a P365 SAS and have changed the slide to one which is marked  P365X (caliber & barrel length remained the same).  I asked the person on the phone if I needed to update my registration because it appears the submodel of my p365 has changed from SAS to X.  They initially replied that I would only need to update the registration if the caliber has changed.  I then said my concern is that the instructor for the Hawaii CCW course I am attending is asking for the firearm info and my registration says P365SAS and my slide says P365X.  HPD's reply was that if it's for CCW, I would need to bring it in for inspection and update the registration, so it matches what is submitted for my CCW License.

Thank you!
I had a feeling it would and thanks again for confirming it.

Rocky

Re: CCW with a pistol that I changed calibers
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2023, 12:59:02 PM »
woops  :oops:
you responded faster than I  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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changemyoil66

Re: CCW with a pistol that I changed calibers
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2023, 01:10:46 PM »
This is a cluster fu*k.

The CCW card doesn't have the model on it. Just make and caliber.  But the CCW app has the model and so shall your affidavit.

If only HI could say 1 card and you can carry any handgun.

TBH, I would just buy a new gun.  Don't gotta worry about the hassle with updating the reg too. 

drck1000

Re: CCW with a pistol that I changed calibers
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2023, 02:14:29 PM »
That policy sounds biased against FCUs that identify as multi-caliber. . .  :P

Nostayhome

Re: CCW with a pistol that I changed calibers
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2023, 02:24:58 PM »
This is a cluster fu*k.

The CCW card doesn't have the model on it. Just make and caliber.  But the CCW app has the model and so shall your affidavit.

If only HI could say 1 card and you can carry any handgun.

TBH, I would just buy a new gun.  Don't gotta worry about the hassle with updating the reg too.

Yup. Definitely a shit show!!

Nostayhome

Re: CCW with a pistol that I changed calibers
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2023, 02:26:00 PM »
That policy sounds biased against FCUs that identify as multi-caliber. . .  :P

😂 I think that’s a legitimate reason for a lawsuit!!

Flapp_Jackson

Re: CCW with a pistol that I changed calibers
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2023, 03:52:25 PM »
I'm wondering ...

If you are pulled over for a traffic stop, and you notify the Cop you are legally carrying concealed (not really needed, since your CCW status likely pops up when they run your ID), is it even a possibility that the Cop will ask for your pistol and then verify it matches your "licensed" firearm for carry?

Unless this or something similar happens regularly, the firearm you carry won't ever be noticed by authorities unless you have occasion to draw it.

Just wondering how difficult it is to enforce carrying only the firearm/s you have associated with your license/s.

Not that anyone on here would ever break the law or endorse others who do.   :thumbsup:
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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RSN172

Re: CCW with a pistol that I changed calibers
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2023, 04:27:24 PM »
You have a 357 Mag listed on your permit loaded with 38 Spl. Violation and loss of permit. Wouldn't be surprised the way these Aholes operate and interpret laws.
Happily living in Puna

QUIETShooter

Re: CCW with a pistol that I changed calibers
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2023, 04:57:20 PM »
Will they check with a fine tooth comb only when you shoot somebody?

I also noticed the CCW card only said S&W but no model designation on the card.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: CCW with a pistol that I changed calibers
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2023, 05:33:52 PM »
Will they check with a fine tooth comb only when you shoot somebody?

I also noticed the CCW card only said S&W but no model designation on the card.

The card has the firearm's serial number.  That's a lot more specific than model.
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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changemyoil66

Re: CCW with a pistol that I changed calibers
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2023, 06:05:54 PM »
I'm wondering ...

If you are pulled over for a traffic stop, and you notify the Cop you are legally carrying concealed (not really needed, since your CCW status likely pops up when they run your ID), is it even a possibility that the Cop will ask for your pistol and then verify it matches your "licensed" firearm for carry?

Unless this or something similar happens regularly, the firearm you carry won't ever be noticed by authorities unless you have occasion to draw it.

Just wondering how difficult it is to enforce carrying only the firearm/s you have associated with your license/s.

Not that anyone on here would ever break the law or endorse others who do.   
Its in the chiefs rules to inform and inspect if they wish. But im not the chief and its not law.

But he can deny ur renewal or revoke ccw for failing to do so.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: CCW with a pistol that I changed calibers
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2023, 09:25:34 PM »
Its in the chiefs rules to inform and inspect if they wish. But im not the chief and its not law.

But he can deny ur renewal or revoke ccw for failing to do so.

I looked for that, but I couldn't find it.

Can you cite the "chiefs rules to inform and inspect if they wish?"
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: CCW with a pistol that I changed calibers
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2023, 09:27:23 PM »
I looked for that, but I couldn't find it.

Can you cite the "chiefs rules to inform and inspect if they wish?"
You dare question CMO?

Inconceivable

Flapp_Jackson

Re: CCW with a pistol that I changed calibers
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2023, 09:29:06 PM »
You dare question CMO?

Inconceivable

Looking for an education.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: CCW with a pistol that I changed calibers
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2023, 08:52:38 AM »
I looked for that, but I couldn't find it.

Can you cite the "chiefs rules to inform and inspect if they wish?"

Nice catch. I can't find it either in the chiefs rules.  It may have been in the 1st draft.  Also it's not mentioned in HRS134-9.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: CCW with a pistol that I changed calibers
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2023, 01:01:02 PM »
Nice catch. I can't find it either in the chiefs rules.  It may have been in the 1st draft.  Also it's not mentioned in HRS134-9.

I have a feeling the new state legislature will address a boat-load of CCW-related bills in the upcoming session.

I anticipate someone will include the Duty to Inform for licensed concealed carriers.

Whether or not they include on-the-spot verification of the firearm specs remains to be seen as well.

Anytime a license holder is asked by a Cop to remove a gun from his holster, there is a greater possibility for something bad to happen. 

Most Cops tell the licensee to keep the firearm holstered and his hands away from his waist for the safety of everyone. 

In order to inspect it, the gun must be drawn, unloaded, cleared and then reloaded and reholstered.  Lots of steps in the process. 

i'd never hand a loaded weapon to someone i don't know -- including Cops -- unless ordered to .... as in, "Drop your weapon!" 

A routine police interaction should not involve handling the firearm just for compliance verification.  Risk > benefit.

Recall how nervous you may have been the first time you got pulled over for a traffic stop.  Now add to that the stress of having to handle a loaded weapon on the side of the road while the Cop/s watch your every move.  It's just stupid if the lawmakers decide firearm verification needs to be a 'thing" with every police interaction.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2023, 01:22:40 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: CCW with a pistol that I changed calibers
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2023, 01:34:42 PM »
I have a feeling the new state legislature will address a boat-load of CCW-related bills in the upcoming session.



^^^^This.  Because as of now, there is no state law on where 1 can CCW.  Just the federal laws. Like schools, post office, federal buildings, military bases, Airport, etc...

Rocky

Re: CCW with a pistol that I changed calibers
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2023, 01:36:37 PM »
     Same could be said about being asked for your permit to carry card.
Reaching behind your back or  into fanny pack to get it out of your wallet could be considered "sketchy" by LEO.
I recommend in classes to carry your permit card on your neck via lanyard.
Hands visible at all times.  :thumbsup:
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