Kokohead shooting complex (Read 80261 times)

macsak

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #100 on: March 24, 2023, 11:55:18 AM »

aieahound

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #101 on: March 24, 2023, 01:39:09 PM »
Need TP…for my Bung Hole.

What’s the fencing about ?
Keep the chickens in ?

Kalikikopa

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #102 on: March 24, 2023, 01:40:01 PM »
I hope with all of these "improvements" the City doesn't forget the initial reason the place was shut down in the first place.

It wasn't because the roof needed repair.

I'm sure landscaping was farthest from everyone's minds.

Sure, paint was needed here and there but that's no reason to shut the damn place down.

In fact all of the above could have been done on Mondays and Tuesdays, the days when the range is closed.

Before they run out of money doing stupid stuff I hope they remember to install washing facilities.

I mean, wasn't lead contamination the primary reason for the shut down?  Or was it the so called ricochets?

Or was all of this just plain bullcrap.

I'll take Bullcrap for a hundred, Alex

oldfart

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #103 on: March 24, 2023, 02:01:18 PM »
It would have been open sooner if it were not for nutsen making trouble
What, Me Worry?

aletheuo137

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #104 on: March 26, 2023, 07:31:13 AM »
 

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zippz

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #105 on: March 26, 2023, 09:43:18 AM »
Update pics of the range







stangzilla

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #106 on: March 26, 2023, 12:58:41 PM »
Silhouette side will open same time?

macsak

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #107 on: March 26, 2023, 01:32:33 PM »
Silhouette side will open same time?

no

in my opinion, they are going to have a tough time reopening the silly side
no berm, and design work would be needed to make one...

Akubone1

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #108 on: March 26, 2023, 02:02:48 PM »
no

in my opinion, they are going to have a tough time reopening the silly side
no berm, and design work would be needed to make one...

Along with the berm, they should move the steel back especially if they’re worried about ricochets.  The R/Os on the silhouette side showed me all the samples of bullet fragments that came back.  Crazy Doesn’t sound safe.   

zippz

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #109 on: March 26, 2023, 02:34:17 PM »
Along with the berm, they should move the steel back especially if they’re worried about ricochets.  The R/Os on the silhouette side showed me all the samples of bullet fragments that came back.  Crazy Doesn’t sound safe.

Depends on what's coming back, how large are the pieces and how fast is it moving.  If it's not enough to break skin, then not an issue, just make sure everyone is wearing glasses.

If it is an issue then they could restrict distances by caliber or adjusting the target spacing.

zippz

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #110 on: March 26, 2023, 02:42:53 PM »
no

in my opinion, they are going to have a tough time reopening the silly side
no berm, and design work would be needed to make one...

There's ways to get it in compliance.  There should be a backstop behind each line of targets.



I think what happened to KHSC was feature creep beyond it's designed purpose which led it to becoming out of compliance.

oldfart

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #111 on: March 26, 2023, 02:48:55 PM »
it looks so tidy

can't wait to go shoot it up
What, Me Worry?

Akubone1

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #112 on: March 26, 2023, 02:53:04 PM »
How would they address ricochets?  After all that’s what prompted the change to 22lr on the rifle side.  It’s a known fact that they have ricochets on the silhouette side.  Eye protection at all times is a must.  Looks like much to consider with berms for each distance.

aieahound

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #113 on: March 26, 2023, 02:58:52 PM »
no

in my opinion, they are going to have a tough time reopening the silly side
no berm, and design work would be needed to make one...

That SUCKS !

Be ready for overflow at HDF open shoots.
Fundraiser though.  :thumbsup:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #114 on: March 26, 2023, 03:13:26 PM »
How would they address ricochets?  After all that’s what prompted the change to 22lr on the rifle side.  It’s a known fact that they have ricochets on the silhouette side.  Eye protection at all times is a must.  Looks like much to consider with berms for each distance.

That's a whole different discussion than just cleaning up the lead and making it safer for the staff to work there.

If the metal plates are of sufficient hardness, like AR500 steel, most of the bullet typically liquifies on impact.  If the harder core of the bullet remains solid, it can become spalling, or fragments, which can be deflected in every possible direction.  That's why KHSC required plates you bring to be suspended so the plate angles downward directing the fragments toward the ground for the most part.  The plate's movement also absorbs the energy that could be transferred to a ricochet.

Most ranges I've used on the mainland don't allow steel core ammo which can create a ricochet risk for shooters whether using steel targets or just on the pistol range.

Switching to .22lr if anything can potentially increase the risk of ricochets since the bullet has less energy than larger calibers.  Less energy means less force available to destroy the round on impact.

So many variables.  The only constant is that there will always be risks when shooting steel.

I've yet to see Hickok45 get hit by a ricochet, and he shoots steel a lot using very few, if any, .22 caliber firearms.  And he puts a ton of lead downrange.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

stangzilla

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #115 on: March 26, 2023, 04:55:35 PM »
There's ways to get it in compliance.  There should be a backstop behind each line of targets.



I think what happened to KHSC was feature creep beyond it's designed purpose which led it to becoming out of compliance.

iirc, there is a berm behind the 75m and part of the 100m line. The 50m line, none
Just make a berm. Too easy. Should've been done by now. Not difficult

stangzilla

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #116 on: March 26, 2023, 04:59:35 PM »
I've been shooting silhouette side almost weekly for years, not once was there ever a case of ricochet back to the line of fire. All my ammo when it hits the steel goes splat! Into a thousand pieces into the ground below the target. Slow moving 45acp just flattens and drops right there

ren

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #117 on: March 26, 2023, 06:21:42 PM »
Isn't the club that operates the silhouette range responsible for improvements? I thought that was the agreement and part of their range fees.
Deeds Not Words

robtmc

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #118 on: March 26, 2023, 06:55:05 PM »
What is with the trench on the pistol range?

Grenade practice? 
WWI reenactments?

QUIETShooter

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #119 on: March 26, 2023, 07:43:24 PM »
What's with all the "what if's" at the range all of a sudden?  Years and years have gone by, and no improvements have been made except to the roof ( :rofl:) and eyebrow of the roof.

Now all of a sudden berms gotta be this and that, walls gotta be re-constructed, and heaven forbid....landscaping.  Gotta have landscaping.  What were we thinking.  :rofl:

I going laugh and sh*t my pants if they ever open the range and there are no new wash facilities near the firing line.  And one toilet each for men and women.  And none for the LGBQT EL O MENO PEE.

Oh I forgot.  Those things use either one.  Depending on their mood of the day.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.