Any word as to when KHSC will be open again on weekdays?

As soon as local law makers and c&c get their head out of their ass
Which isn't any time soon

They need full time rangemaster qualified personnel.

Seriously doubt the trap and skeet ranges are ever gonna open again. They are through……

They need full time rangemaster qualified personnel.

Thats exactly what I heard.  They had more ROs training last weekend.  Glad the C&C hired more personnel.  Just need a qualified range master.  One more request…allow cancellations of appointments.  without that option there’s going to be empty benches

What’s the hole size of the target holder for rifle stands? I heard it’s 2”, but if using a 2x2, we would need to shave down the corners. Isn’t the 2x2 actually 1.5x1.5?  Do we still have to shave down the corners?


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What’s the hole size of the target holder for rifle stands? I heard it’s 2”, but if using a 2x2, we would need to shave down the corners. Isn’t the 2x2 actually 1.5x1.5?  Do we still have to shave down the corners?


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Pretty sure you need to use a 1.5 x 1.5 (what the store sells as 2x2).
If you make it with a true 2x2 it might fit but your dimensions would have to be perfect. I didn't have to shave corners on the 1.5x1.5

Seriously doubt the trap and skeet ranges are ever gonna open again. They are through……

I can't find anyone giving an answer on this. It doesn't even shoot towards any houses.

Pretty sure you need to use a 1.5 x 1.5 (what the store sells as 2x2).
If you make it with a true 2x2 it might fit but your dimensions would have to be perfect. I didn't have to shave corners on the 1.5x1.5

i've always used the cheapest dimensional lumber, which measures 1.5" x 1.5".

I've always had to taper the corners to fit inside the poles in the ground.

It's advisable to bring a box cutter, sharp knife or other tool to whittle down your stand legs should the holes not fit it.  Some poles are so distorted, getting a good fit can be a challenge.

I haven't been since the recent "upgrades," so if they installed new target poles/posts on the rifle side, they could be larger than what i remember.

The pipes could be designated as 2" pipes but it could be measured outside to outside.

Meaning the inside diameter is smaller.  But the 1.5X1.5 lumber should fit, but like it was mentioned, some of those pipes out there are dinged and deformed hence the good idea to have a knife or razor on hand.

One lane I was at had one pipe severely bent, not sure if it was from the grass mowing equipment but I couldn't fit one leg of my stand into it.

So I stuck one leg of the stand in the pipe and dug down on the other side to try to level it.

The things we do to pew pew.  Hey, it rhymes......

If the pipe is 2 inches inner diameter, neither a true 2” x 2” nor a 1.5” x 1.5” will fit without being shaved down.  The corner-to-corner dimension is what has to fit within the diameter of the pipe…

The diagonal of a true 2” x 2” piece of lumber is 2.83 inches.  The diagonal of a 1.5” x 1.5” is 2.12 inches.  To fit within a 2” inner diameter pipe, the piece of wood would have to be smaller than 1.414” X 1.414”.

not about "shooting toward houses"
1- they want the skeet/trap clubs to do a "study" to prove that shot does not leave the crater
B- they want the trap/skeet clubs to make sure that the shot and clays on the crater are not damaging the environment and to clean the soil there too
last- they want them to not use one type of metal shot, but i forget which one it is, sorry

I can't find anyone giving an answer on this. It doesn't even shoot towards any houses.

not about "shooting toward houses"
1- they want the skeet/trap clubs to do a "study" to prove that shot does not leave the crater
B- they want the trap/skeet clubs to make sure that the shot and clays on the crater are not damaging the environment and to clean the soil there too
last- they want them to not use one type of metal shot, but i forget which one it is, sorry

Which is absurd.  How exactly would one go about proving that shot does not, and never will, leave the crater?  Proving a negative is virtually impossible…

Which is absurd.  How exactly would one go about proving that shot does not, and never will, leave the crater?  Proving a negative is virtually impossible…

agreed, but it's not to prove that it will never, ever leave the crater

in government, as you know, it's all about liability and that has to do with designed and studied use...

I guess this also pertains to the other action bays as well?

agreed, but it's not to prove that it will never, ever leave the crater

in government, as you know, it's all about liability and that has to do with designed and studied use...

So the city is saying that SOME shot leaving the crater is ok?  Did they say how much?

So the city is saying that SOME shot leaving the crater is ok?  Did they say how much?

please show me where i said that...

I guess this also pertains to the other action bays as well?

yeah
i forgot to mention, the city wants the skeet/trap clubs to pay for the study and the cleanup
and the same with hpd on the action bay side
HPD is saying, if we pay, then we get control of who uses the ranges, and guess what that means...

yeah
i forgot to mention, the city wants the skeet/trap clubs to pay for the study and the cleanup
and the same with hpd on the action bay side
HPD is saying, if we pay, then we get control of who uses the ranges, and guess what that means...

That argument makes no sense.  Paying for upkeep or studies doesn't convey ownership or control of the range property.  The park is still under C&C control, not the group paying to help maintain it.

If HPD is using the facilities, they should pay for its maintenance regardless of any "control over who uses it" argument.

If this is the new standard, I'm going to pay to have Honolulu Hale fixed up ...

I guess this also pertains to the other action bays as well?

From the consultants’ report on the range, with emphasis on things that I found particularly interesting…

General required range “improvements” that apply to the action bays:

4. Remove rocks and other hard objects from backstops, side berms and range ground surfaces. (See Section 3, Discussion on Bullet Escapement, Hard Target Deflected Bullet Escapement)
5. Remove rubber tires from backstops, side berms and range ground surfaces. (See Section 3, Discussion on Bullet Escapement, Hard Target Deflected Bullet Escapement)
6. Remove, or cover with earth, telephone poles and vertically exposed concrete on backstops, side berms and range ground surfaces. (See Section 3, Discussion on Bullet Escapement, Hard Target Deflected Bullet Escapement)
7. Verify targets are placed to result in bullet impacts into impact area of the backstop. (See Section 3, Discussion on Bullet Escapement, Ground Deflected Bullet Escapement)
8. Verify all firing locations are a minimum of 10 yards from backstop or steel targets. (See Section 6, Engineering Controls on Outdoor Ranges, Target and Target Placement)
9. Remove and prohibit the use of falling type steel targets, or provide calculations to show bullet deflections will not leave the crater. (See Section 3, Discussion on Bullet Escapement, Hard Target Deflected Bullet Escapement)
10. Remove and prohibit the use of bowling pins. (See Section 3, Discussion on Bullet Escapement, Hard Target Deflected Bullet Escapement)

Items specific to the action bays:

1. Post safety rules. Appendix B, Signs, has a recommended Action Range Rules sign.
2. Honolulu Police Department establishes a policy and procedures to verify each course of fire meets the safety recommendations of this report related to ammunition type, bullet trajectory and target type.
3. Install unloading/loading stations at law enforcement firearms cleaning area and gunsmith room.