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ren

WTF? Residents taxed because they go to Vegas?
« on: February 09, 2023, 09:21:48 PM »
https://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii-senate-bill-targets-vegas-casinos-with-taxes/article_ef60ad2c-a906-11ed-8a83-437fc16ec81a.html

A controversial bill heading through the Hawaii State Senate is going after one of the popular vacation destinations for Hawaii residents - Las Vegas.

Popular enough to be nicknamed the '9th Island,' studies estimate people from Hawaii take 300,000 trips annually to Las Vegas and other gambling destinations, and that Boyd Gaming, which owns popular spots for Hawaii guests like the California Hotel & Casino and Main Street Station is estimated to bring in about $600 million from Hawaii each year.

It's why State Senator Stanley Chang (D-Hawaii Kai, Kahala) wants to see some of that money brought back to the state. In Senate Bill 935, the bill says "Hawaii residents generate hundreds of millions of dollars, perhaps billions, in economic activity in other jurisdictions related to gambling, and in return, Hawaii receives no benefit."

Chang the Dictator
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RSN172

Re: WTF? Residents taxed because they go to Vegas?
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2023, 09:59:01 PM »
Maybe they should legalize gambling here if they want the revenue.   Limit it to Maui since I never go there. Traffic is bad enough on Oahu and the BI, the two islands I frequent.  The other islands are too small or lack sufficient hotels.
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Direjackalope

Re: WTF? Residents taxed because they go to Vegas?
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2023, 10:00:43 PM »
I look forward to Nevada giving Mr. Chang a remedial education on state borders and jurisdiction.
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hvybarrels

Re: WTF? Residents taxed because they go to Vegas?
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2023, 10:11:25 PM »
It's like they WANT people to move away...
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: WTF? Residents taxed because they go to Vegas?
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2023, 10:26:07 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on February 09, 2023, 10:11:25 PM
It's like they WANT people to move away...
If the cost to buy LV travel packages isn't low enough, travelers will just book air travel and rooms themselves.

And when the travel companies no longer exist, Hawaii loses the corporate taxes, excise taxes on sales, and income taxes from employees.   :wacko:

When you want less of something you tax it.

When you want more of something, you subsidize it.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: WTF? Residents taxed because they go to Vegas?
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2023, 10:36:50 PM »
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Chang wants to see that money used for treatment for gambling addiction. 
"I'm not saying that gambling is inherently evil," Chang says. "But what I am
saying if that there is a certain percentage of gamblers that do become
addicted and we have to deal with the societal impacts of that - crime, job
loss, and to pretend that it doesn't exist in Hawaii, that's a real problem,"
Chang says. 

It's unclear where that new tax revenue would go specifically, but Chang
says as it stands now, Hawaii doesn't have any state-funded gambling
addiction programs, and that gambling addicts in the state have to rely on
national hotlines.   Hawaii and Utah are the only two states without any
form of legalized gaming.

Ironically, treating gambling addiction & the cost to Hawaii society (crime) are among the biggest arguments against legalizing gambling in the islands.

Welcome to the new world, where we tax-paying residents have to pay for the bad effects of things we want but don't exist here, i.e. casinos.

In other words, you can't legislate morality or responsibility.  Banning gambling doesn't stop people from gambling, or else there would be no revenue on Vegas travelers to tax.

If gambling were okay here, at least there would be jobs, more tourists, fewer residents trotting off to Vegas as often, and a steady tax income for the state via casinos. 

The cost to treat gambling addiction would be paid for through those casino taxes without going after companies that offer travel packages.
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ren

Re: WTF? Residents taxed because they go to Vegas?
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2023, 10:59:25 PM »
My theory is that since Chang is a junior legislator this is his way to signal to the gambling lobby that he wants in on their "influence". Influence him enough so that he'll stop introducing bills like this.
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oldfart

Re: WTF? Residents taxed because they go to Vegas?
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2023, 03:58:25 AM »
quote:

" in U.S. constitutional law, any commercial transactions or traffic that cross state boundaries or that involve more than one state. .... the free flow of commerce between states should not be impeded has been used to effect a wide range of regulations, both federal and state."

Did Stanley Chang go to high school?
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RSN172

Re: WTF? Residents taxed because they go to Vegas?
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2023, 05:41:48 AM »
Quote from: oldfart on February 10, 2023, 03:58:25 AM
quote:

" in U.S. constitutional law, any commercial transactions or traffic that cross state boundaries or that involve more than one state. .... the free flow of commerce between states should not be impeded has been used to effect a wide range of regulations, both federal and state."

Did Stanley Chang go to high school?
Eh, he wen go Iolani and Harvard Law School lidat. Lose money.
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QUIETShooter

Re: WTF? Residents taxed because they go to Vegas?
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2023, 07:07:10 AM »
Typical junior legislator trying to make a name for him, her, itself.

The best part is when he said the money generated MAY go to treat gambling addiction.

A f**kn tax on gamblers going to Vegas MAY go to addiction instead of WILL go to treat addiction.

I tell you, the mindset of Hawaii and the "party  ::)" that dominates government is totally f**ked up beyond repair.

They know the majority of people here will accept anything the "party  ::)" says and tells them to do.

People who think this tax will go to addiction are the same people who blindly vote for whoever the candidate with the D next to their name is, or they just don't vote at all.

Stupidest proposal in the midst of so many important pressing issues so far.
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Rocky

Re: WTF? Residents taxed because they go to Vegas?
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2023, 08:16:16 AM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on February 09, 2023, 10:36:50 PM
Ironically, treating gambling addiction & the cost to Hawaii society (crime) are among the biggest arguments against legalizing gambling in the islands.
Welcome to the new world, where we tax-paying residents have to pay for the bad effects of things we want but don't exist here, i.e. casinos.

    Gambling is already here, either you don't get out much or don't know "somebody".
Gambling machines are all over the place, even the little stop & go in Hauula and its easy to find a chicken fight, crap game or Majhong if you know that "somebody".
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QUIETShooter

Re: WTF? Residents taxed because they go to Vegas?
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2023, 08:54:16 AM »
This Chang guy is really full of shiite.  Other states that has a portion of gambling tax put aside for addiction is states that has allowed gambling in their state.

Hawaii has no legalized gambling.  People need to pay airfare just to get off this rock.  It's another story if we had gambling here in Hawaii.  Then gambling addiction becomes a real problem to address.

In my opinion, gamblers in Hawaii are often senior citizens on retirement that love to go to Vegas.  Yes, they and others in Hawaii have the gambling bug but I would hardly call that addiction.

The people who frequent the illegal gambling backrooms and chicken fights here in Hawaii are the real addicted ones.  Go after these establishments and people and fine them to fund the gambling addiction.

Those of us who frequent Vegas are not considered addicted gamblers in my opinion.

Again this Chang guy is full of shiite and just wants another way to bring revenue into the state and garnish the attention of gov. Greed and his cronies.  Maybe he wants to show he deserves to be "one of them".  Once you establish that you have a job forever.

Hoo boy.  Lots of news lately have me riled up but not so much as this one, LOL! :rofl:

Talk about stupid politics and stupid politicians.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: WTF? Residents taxed because they go to Vegas?
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2023, 10:05:59 AM »
Quote from: Rocky on February 10, 2023, 08:16:16 AM
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on February 09, 2023, 10:36:50 PM
Ironically, treating gambling addiction & the cost to Hawaii society (crime) are among the biggest arguments against legalizing gambling in the islands.
Welcome to the new world, where we tax-paying residents have to pay for the bad effects of things we want but don't exist here, i.e. casinos.

    Gambling is already here, either you don't get out much or don't know "somebody".
Gambling machines are all over the place, even the little stop & go in Hauula and its easy to find a chicken fight, crap game or Majhong if you know that "somebody".


I said casinos don't exist, not gambling.

#Focus
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changemyoil66

Re: WTF? Residents taxed because they go to Vegas?
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2023, 05:21:37 PM »
He is Rhodes boy toy. Also super anti 2a. Uses "ive been to kokohead once".

Many of the anti 2a bills, he cosponsored.

Seems like the kind of kid who was picked on in school, now wants to flex. Same with rhodes too.

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Rocky

Re: WTF? Residents taxed because they go to Vegas?
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2023, 06:05:11 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on February 10, 2023, 10:05:59 AM
I said casinos don't exist, not gambling.

#Focus
I said  cuz you said Gambling is already here referring to
biggest arguments against legalizing gambling in the islands.
It's already happening here, just not legally, casino or otherwise
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macsak

Re: WTF? Residents taxed because they go to Vegas?
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2023, 08:22:40 PM »
i told SChang to his face i would never vote for him
he aksed why
i said it's because you don't support the second amendment
his immediate answer "i support the troops"
told him "that's not what the second amendment is about"
he said "i go to the range with my friends
i told him that we had an event at the range in a couple weeks
he said when, and to send him the info and he would attend
i emailed him and his staff the info
i'll give you one guess whether he came or not...

Quote from: changemyoil66 on February 10, 2023, 05:21:37 PM
He is Rhodes boy toy. Also super anti 2a. Uses "ive been to kokohead once".

Many of the anti 2a bills, he cosponsored.

Seems like the kind of kid who was picked on in school, now wants to flex. Same with rhodes too.

Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk
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ren

Re: WTF? Residents taxed because they go to Vegas?
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2023, 09:11:22 PM »
Quote from: macsak on February 10, 2023, 08:22:40 PM
i told SChang to his face i would never vote for him
he aksed why
i said it's because you don't support the second amendment
his immediate answer "i support the troops"
told him "that's not what the second amendment is about"
he said "i go to the range with my friends
i told him that we had an event at the range in a couple weeks
he said when, and to send him the info and he would attend
i emailed him and his staff the info
i'll give you one guess whether he came or not...

Never did.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: WTF? Residents taxed because they go to Vegas?
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2023, 10:37:11 PM »
Quote from: Rocky on February 10, 2023, 06:05:11 PM
I said  cuz you said Gambling is already here referring to
biggest arguments against legalizing gambling in the islands.
It's already happening here, just not legally, casino or otherwise

Let's say illegal vs. legal gambling in Hawaii isn't the issue.

The bill would be taxing the businesses which are facilitating LEGAL gambling vacations to pay for the effects of ILLEGAL gambling -- because illegal gambling can feed more locals' addictions than having to fly to the mainland.

Either way, the bill is nonsense.

And, as we all know, it won't be the businesses paying any new taxes.  Those costs will be passed on to the customers.

 :shaka:
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RSN172

Re: WTF? Residents taxed because they go to Vegas?
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2023, 12:57:44 AM »
Tax and Spend. It is the Democratic Way.
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DocMercy

Re: WTF? Residents taxed because they go to Vegas?
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2023, 05:59:46 AM »
I would go to Vegas for the food, entertainment, hot chicks, and religious worship, not gambling. Chang the Merciless will be slapped down in the Supreme Court for violating the First Amendment. I worship the female body as part of my religion, braddah.  :shaka:
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