Cannot help but think it is political.  In my opinion it is.  But this is on our leaders like the governor, mayor, and police chief.

The police rank and file are just trying to do their job as best as they can.  Their hands are tied due to their senior leaders. 

Their job is service orientated.  However, it is still restricted to the parameters of our bullsh*t political leaders.

Who knows why it takes close to 90 days (or more?) to process these CCW's.  I'd bet there are procedures deliberately put in place to keep the process as slow as possible.

Yes, whether we like it or not, the police chief is a political figure.  Again, I'd bet that you don't get that position unless you explain very clearly your stance on the 2nd amendment to the State of Hawaii Police Commission.

Cannot help but think it is political.  In my opinion it is.  But this is on our leaders like the governor, mayor, and police chief.

The police rank and file are just trying to do their job as best as they can.  Their hands are tied due to their senior leaders. 

Their job is service orientated.  However, it is still restricted to the parameters of our bullsh*t political leaders.

Who knows why it takes close to 90 days (or more?) to process these CCW's.  I'd bet there are procedures deliberately put in place to keep the process as slow as possible.

Yes, whether we like it or not, the police chief is a political figure.  Again, I'd bet that you don't get that position unless you explain very clearly your stance on the 2nd amendment to the State of Hawaii Police Commission.

What's political is the polarized issue of the Second Amendment.  In many states, even though the rank and file police officers proclaim support for the right to keep and bear arms, they also know that more guns owned by the general public -- law abiding or not -- increases the risk to their lives when making contact with the public.

The chiefs of police in most places are political appointees -- not elected.  Their support of 2A is therefore inline with their boss' more often than not.

It's scary that so many people are hell-bent of giving away everyone's right to self defense.  if we ever lose the right completely, it'll take a civil war to regain it.

Cannot help but think it is political.  In my opinion it is.  But this is on our leaders like the governor, mayor, and police chief.

The police rank and file are just trying to do their job as best as they can.  Their hands are tied due to their senior leaders. 

Their job is service orientated.  However, it is still restricted to the parameters of our bullsh*t political leaders.

Who knows why it takes close to 90 days (or more?) to process these CCW's.  I'd bet there are procedures deliberately put in place to keep the process as slow as possible.

Yes, whether we like it or not, the police chief is a political figure.  Again, I'd bet that you don't get that position unless you explain very clearly your stance on the 2nd amendment to the State of Hawaii Police Commission.

We have learned over the years that most of HPD will not stand up for your right.  "I'm just doing my job".  Like Nazi's did in WW2 where the law made it legal to do Nazi stuff.  This is the excuse they use to justify their actions.  Or "I'm not the one who brings charges" after they turn into evidence a pistol mag that holds >10rds.

People spoke up about this and we learned during COVID shut downs how HPD 'just doing their job".  News reported only once that 96% of COVID citations were thrown out in court.  Then add in the rally I was at where I saw HPD blocking the road and sidewalk so protestors could not get to their destination.  Only to be told 15 mins later that they cannot do that and someone in command stopped the blockade.

I don't say all HPD. Because I witnessed a gathering that was against COVID rules and a cop showed up.  He said someone called, but he cannot issue a citation due to it violating the constitution. So he hung out for a few mins then left.  Only to come back an hour later cause the person called again.  He again, hung out then left.

Another incident was when someone was carrying a rifle case and was stopped by HPD cause someone called them.  They mentioned "to and from law", but at no time searched or detained the rifle case carrier.  So they responded because they had to, but never violated the 4th amendment (search and seizure). But did mention "to and from", which means they would have probably enforced this one had they had proof a firearm was in the rifle case and proof where the individual was going to.

So imagine if most of the boots on the ground HPD stated they won't enforce an unconstitutional law.  Command would have no choice but to follow.  Or fire everyone.

We have learned over the years that most of HPD will not stand up for your right.  "I'm just doing my job". 

It's statistics, same with the public, legislators, and any other topic.  There are a few hardworking people at both extremes, more that are familiar with the subject, but vast majority don't know and/or don't care.

mahalo HPD and our great senators for keeping us safe from gun violence and vetted, qualifed, licensed individuals.
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2023/03/21/publics-help-sought-locating-3-suspect-wanted-attempted-murder-robbery/

Mar. 20, 2023 at 11:20 PM HST
"Honolulu police are asking for the public’s help"
The incident happened March 5 about 3:30 p.m."
    When minutes count.....

You want my help to apprehend armed criminals ?

Yep.  Help us (HPD) but when WE need help by arming ourselves........

Crickets...............

What's political is the polarized issue of the Second Amendment.  In many states, even though the rank and file police officers proclaim support for the right to keep and bear arms, they also know that more guns owned by the general public -- law abiding or not -- increases the risk to their lives when making contact with the public.

The chiefs of police in most places are political appointees -- not elected.  Their support of 2A is therefore inline with their boss' more often than not.

It's scary that so many people are hell-bent of giving away everyone's right to self defense.  if we ever lose the right completely, it'll take a civil war to regain it.

... except one side's "got the F-15's and the Nukes."

Perhaps it is time to become a criminal?
 

Been carrying in this banana republik for the better part of 10 years….not all the time but a considerable amount it…..
I don’t need these fuckers permission, the 2A gives me all the permission I need!

Mar. 20, 2023 at 11:20 PM HST
"Honolulu police are asking for the public’s help"
The incident happened March 5 about 3:30 p.m."
    When minutes count.....

You want my help to apprehend armed criminals who shoot at their victims but in a public park but I cannot arm myself in a public park against armed criminals ? 

Get off your lazy dead ass HPD. 

... except one side's "got the F-15's and the Nukes."

Won't help them because they won't use it in a civil war.

Won't help them because they won't use it in a civil war.

They will use them, just not on you and me.
 

... except one side's "got the F-15's and the Nukes."

Mr “Pecker face” thought he could make Ukraine “submit” to his “mighty forces”. Seems like he misjudged them.and his forces aren’t as mighty as he thought they were! 

I dont mean to be a negative Nancy
when I went last week to apply for PTA, there is 1 cop who knows me by name and is very nice and helpful, friendly.  Local guy, looks like part Hawaiian.  he is very pleasant to deal with. 
most down there are good people. 

I usually dig the guys and gals at the windows and have gotten plenty help from them.
Both permitting and registration.
But last time I registered,I had two older, kinda overweight haole guys.
Kinda assholeish.
Had the redacted prior owners registration which I presented. They confiscated it. Said they could see through the black out if they held to the light.
I said no. I gave you the document. They gave me back a copy.
No big deal but just exerting power they don’t have.

Most of them are cool though.
Crap shoot as to who’s getting disciplined I guess. Stuck at the window.

But last time I registered,I had two older, kinda overweight haole guys.
Kinda assholeish.

No need be Politically Correct.
You had two old fat asshole haole guys.

No need be Politically Correct.
You had two old fat asshole haole guys.

Waycist!

 

I usually dig the guys and gals at the windows and have gotten plenty help from them.
Both permitting and registration.
But last time I registered,I had two older, kinda overweight haole guys.
Kinda assholeish.
Had the redacted prior owners registration which I presented. They confiscated it. Said they could see through the black out if they held to the light.
I said no. I gave you the document. They gave me back a copy.
No big deal but just exerting power they don’t have.

Most of them are cool though.
Crap shoot as to who’s getting disciplined I guess. Stuck at the window.

I know exactly who you are talking about

No need be Politically Correct.
You had two old fat asshole haole guys.

I'm pretty sure I have had the pleasure of interacting with one of these "ahem" gentlemen.  He seems like those insecure cops who love the power trip.  If I looked like him I would feel insecure also.  His attitude sucked big time.

He was not only fat, sad to say he was morbidly OBESE.  Seriously.  If I was his supervisor I would keep him in the firearms division and not let him out on patrol in the field.  Ever.

This guy looks like he couldn't run 10 ft.  In an altercation he probably would have his gun, taser, and god knows what else taken from him.

When we had to line up early in the am to apply for PTA, he would come out of the building every 15 minutes for a smoke break.  Fine example of an officer trim and fit to do the job.

Honolulu's Finest?  I think not.

body shamers

Forgot to add. Kinda Funny/Messed Up though.
So the one, can’t really tell ‘em apart, not too in shape fair complexion Officer.
He’s flagging me the whole time while reading the serial. I’m bobbing and weaving hoping they’ll notice.
Nope.
Then I tell I hope the window is bulletproof cause you’re flagging me.
Fat bastahd says “Oh, it is.”
 
Brah. Realized staring down the barrel of a rifle, even though you personally cleared it, is an uncomfortable feeling. Even from behind bullet proof glass.

But used to be good fun with ofcr. Del Prado ( big bald Portagee looking guy), the older Filipino and the young short Japanee guy.
Real relaxed.