Hearing is on 4/5 @ 2pm.

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/account/login.aspx?return=/account/submittestimony.aspx?billtype%3dSB%26billnumber%3d1230

Use link above to sign in.  Enter SB1230 and submit your testimony.

This is the mirror to HB984

Not only sensitive places but

Hunters ed not good enough for pistol purchase.  Need a new class that's approved by HPD. No grandfather clause. HE is only good for long gun/shotgun.

Thank you so vey much for the post.  The link is very handy.  And I know it takes a lot of work, but listing the difference from the other bill is also very helpful.

By not allowing concealed carry firearms to be secured in one's vehicle on private property (like we can in sensitive locations), in effect, they prohibit the person's ability to carry while driving to that location on public streets.  This is like a back-door ban on carrying on public streets, because if one of your stops is at private property, then you need to leave your gun at home.  At first I wondered if this was an accident.  But now, I don't think this is an accident.  It is just their sly tyranny.

By not allowing concealed carry firearms to be secured in one's vehicle on private property (like we can in sensitive locations), in effect, they prohibit the person's ability to carry while driving to that location on public streets.  This is like a back-door ban on carrying on public streets, because if one of your stops is at private property, then you need to leave your gun at home.  At first I wondered if this was an accident.  But now, I don't think this is an accident.  It is just their sly tyranny.

You do not have to secure your firearm on private property (residential) unless it falls under a "business establishment".  So you can drive while CCWing.

Done. Thanks for keeping us up to date.

  So you can drive while CCWing.

But not much else.

142 Support over half copy/paste.
46 opposed

Kila was the only no vote.

Guess gun owners in HI want to redo their handgun safety class and redo it every 4 years.  And have to take a class to buy a rifle/shotgun.  And no one will be able to buy a gun from when Green signs the bill in July until at least end of the year when HPD and other counties get their process redone to approve ALL firearm instructors.

So AG said they had teams of smart people who worked on this bill to make it withstand a lawsuit.  But yet when asked a few weeks ago if it can, he stated "what you're asking me to do is to litigate this bill" and "we need to see how the other courts rule since it's such a new thing".  So how did they write it with history and tradition in mind?

Also he brought up 800 something courts and only a few 2a wins.  He left out that ALL the sensitive places laws are being challenged. Counties in CA, NJ state and NY.  I'm surprised CA state hasn't formed their own state bill. But that might be the tipping point for them.

So again, the AG representative is leaving info out and our politicians take his word like it's the word of god.

142 Support over half copy/paste.
46 opposed

Kila was the only no vote.

Guess gun owners in HI want to redo their handgun safety class and redo it every 4 years.  And have to take a class to buy a rifle/shotgun.  And no one will be able to buy a gun from when Green signs the bill in July until at least end of the year when HPD and other counties get their process redone to approve ALL firearm instructors.

seems like we're not getting the message through to gun owners in Hawaii.  and/or there's wide-spread apathy.

seems to be reflected in how the legislature is able to ram-rod through other unpopular bills, driven by the minority special interest groups.  I'll go with apathy.  People care, but not enough to do anything about it.  "too busy".

seems like we're not getting the message through to gun owners in Hawaii.  and/or there's wide-spread apathy.

seems to be reflected in how the legislature is able to ram-rod through other unpopular bills, driven by the minority special interest groups.  I'll go with apathy.  People care, but not enough to do anything about it.  "too busy".

"it doesn't affect me" is another common reply I get.  Until I educate them how it does.  But IDK if they ever submit or not.  I spoke to 2 guys this week at the gym who told me this.  Then had a look of shock when I brought up the PTA and class portion.  And they were upset and claiming "this is unconstitutional".

I read all the test, and I know they didn't submit.  Unless they used a psuedoname, which I doubt they did.

If we can't even get gun stores to write testimonies for HB426 that directly affects them, what success can we have?  There are some stores who do a lot for the cause.  I will only spend my money at these stores and buy from them instead of online, even thought it's slightly cheaper.

But we all must still do our part, if not, no grumble.  Plus what we do or don't do today, affects future gun owners.  And with the internet now, more people can be reached.

If it weren't for HIFICO, all semi auto rifles and shotguns might have been banned a few years ago with no grandfather clause. Same with rifle mags.  Maybe even 50 cal rifles, shotguns, or handguns as well. Plus many accessories that "may increase the rate of fire" like buffer spring, lighter BCG, lighter triggers, etc...

46? That’s pretty sad.

I understand with the chaos around the corner it’s easy to say why bother but we still have to get through the next 6 months or so with our rights in tact.

"it doesn't affect me" is another common reply I get.  Until I educate them how it does.  But IDK if they ever submit or not.  I spoke to 2 guys this week at the gym who told me this.  Then had a look of shock when I brought up the PTA and class portion.  And they were upset and claiming "this is unconstitutional".

I read all the test, and I know they didn't submit.  Unless they used a psuedoname, which I doubt they did.

If we can't even get gun stores to write testimonies for HB426 that directly affects them, what success can we have?  There are some stores who do a lot for the cause.  I will only spend my money at these stores and buy from them instead of online, even thought it's slightly cheaper.

But we all must still do our part, if not, no grumble.  Plus what we do or don't do today, affects future gun owners.  And with the internet now, more people can be reached.

If it weren't for HIFICO, all semi auto rifles and shotguns might have been banned a few years ago with no grandfather clause. Same with rifle mags.  Maybe even 50 cal rifles, shotguns, or handguns as well. Plus many accessories that "may increase the rate of fire" like buffer spring, lighter BCG, lighter triggers, etc...

CMO, I was wondering if I could find out which gun stores that you know of take time to participate in testimonies on these bills. I would definitely patronize these stores also.

does SB1230 still include language to change the regular pistol PTA (not CCW) requirement to an HPD-approved instructor, affidavit only valid for 4 yrs, and also mandate a similar requirement for long guns?

I was trying to read through SB1230 SD2, and I couldn't find the language, but trying to read that crap is difficult to start with.  Is SB1230 HD1 the version that is sailing through the legislature?  the HD1 version has the 4yr HPD-approved instructor language.

I saw the part about requiring locked containers now when taking your firearms to the range, sojourn, etc.

Bill goes into conference. Which means select combo of senate and house members. It hasn't been assigned yet, so unknown who these people are.

Then they all must agree on 1 version. So changes can still be made. Also possible for the bill to die.

Then goes to Greens desk if the conference passes it.

Bill goes into conference. Which means select combo of senate and house members. It hasn't been assigned yet, so unknown who these people are.

Then they all must agree on 1 version. So changes can still be made. Also possible for the bill to die.

Then goes to Greens desk if the conference passes it.

thank you CMO, for the explanation.  much appreciated!

  

CMO, I was wondering if I could find out which gun stores that you know of take time to participate in testimonies on these bills. I would definitely patronize these stores also.

click on the testimonies and read. it says who they are representing.

click on the testimonies and read. it says who they are representing.

I read through each testimony for 1230, I did not see a single gun shop represent any testimony. Maybe I missed something.  Anyway, I'll just do my part and click  and write oppose in the testimonies for any anti 2A fire missions.👍

I read through each testimony for 1230, I did not see a single gun shop represent any testimony. Maybe I missed something.  Anyway, I'll just do my part and click  and write oppose in the testimonies for any anti 2A fire missions.👍

Its possible that individuals represented themselves instead of the shop they work for, but if they dont represent the shop or business, then they arent representing the shop or business.

When they cant sell any pistols for 6 months and are wondering why, I hope they dont blame others for not participating.

CMO, I was wondering if I could find out which gun stores that you know of take time to participate in testimonies on these bills. I would definitely patronize these stores also.

Sorry only saw this now.


Oahu only

Danger Close Tactical-Plantiff on lawsuit that allows emailed PTA and online reg.  Also challenging the 14 day PTA wait time.
Young Guns-Shows up to hearings in person, offered to donate ammo for any politician who wants to learn about guns
Koffin Works-Shows up to in person hearings
Kaneohe Gun Store-Submits written testimony and shows up to in person hearings
Firearms International-Offered to be on lawsuit when HPD was screwing with Taser seller permits, writes testimony

There may be others who do things, but I'm not aware and don't know 100% of everything.  The above is what was done over the years by the stores and there may be more that I'm not aware of.  So take this with a grain of salt.  In the end, you spend your money where ever you want. For me, I won't spend money at a store that doesn't help the cause.

Its possible that individuals represented themselves instead of the shop they work for, but if they dont represent the shop or business, then they arent representing the shop or business.

When they cant sell any pistols for 6 months and are wondering why, I hope they dont blame others for not participating.

Over the course of some bills this year, store owners submitted via their names and forgot to put "on behalf of X,Y,Z store".

Kaneohe Gun Shop and Firearms International are 2 that I know of.  I had to ask around to find out what their names were because I had a feeling it was them.