Picked up my 2 permits today
I was 3rd in line. Took nearly 1 hour to get out out of there
Line moves slowly
Then I carried for the rest of the day to test the feel of it

 I have this vision of HPD still clinging to the permits while you struggle to grab them out of their hands.....

Line moves slowly

HPD has a sloth working in the CCW department.

After all your patience and waiting congrats on your CCW permits!

I have this vision of HPD still clinging to the permits while you struggle to grab them out of their hands.....

After all your patience and waiting congrats on your CCW permits!

thanks! 

Both girlfriend and I submitted our applications Feb. 28. She got approval letter July 28. = 151 days / 22 weeks wait. I'm still waiting.

Little extras;
We took the same class, qualified for two guns each, submitted application the same day. Girlfriend had two discrepancies (passport number changed, citizen born abroad) and had two follow up calls in the first month, corrected over the phone. After a few months I would call in checking on the status of our applications. Recently I call in maybe once every two weeks, get the robot lady at firearms saying "It's being reviewed, you'll get a certified letter 10 dollars blah blah thank you don't bother me bye" so I tried the "speak to your supervisor/sergeant" route which does nothing. Moral of the story, she had mistakes never followed up and got hers before me. Luck of the draw.. or they help whoever bothers them the least.

Tips; Sign up for the USPS informed delivery. You'll see a pic of the certified letter in your e-mail the morning of and make sure you're home as no one is allowed to sign for you. You also get separate certified letters and licenses for each gun you qualified/applied for. Dumb extra step to slow everything down.

Both girlfriend and I submitted our applications Feb. 28. She got approval letter July 28. = 151 days / 22 weeks wait. I'm still waiting.

Little extras;
We took the same class, qualified for two guns each, submitted application the same day. Girlfriend had two discrepancies (passport number changed, citizen born abroad) and had two follow up calls in the first month, corrected over the phone. After a few months I would call in checking on the status of our applications. Recently I call in maybe once every two weeks, get the robot lady at firearms saying "It's being reviewed, you'll get a certified letter 10 dollars blah blah thank you don't bother me bye" so I tried the "speak to your supervisor/sergeant" route which does nothing. Moral of the story, she had mistakes never followed up and got hers before me. Luck of the draw.. or they help whoever bothers them the least.

Tips; Sign up for the USPS informed delivery. You'll see a pic of the certified letter in your e-mail the morning of and make sure you're home as no one is allowed to sign for you. You also get separate certified letters and licenses for each gun you qualified/applied for. Dumb extra step to slow everything down.

Yep. Why certified letters? Why not mail the license to you? Why all the nonsense? Ridiculous and a waste of our time and money. Waste of police resources for nonsense extra “checks”.  If you can own a handgun you can carry it. Plain and simple. Both require the exact same things to be legal.


I really hope someone challenges the requirements for licensing in itself as unconstitutional. We all know it is, according to the 2nd Amendment and the SCOTUS Bruen decision. Show me a analog of a law in the 1700 that required a license to carry a firearm.



Arizona, I filled out the renewal, sent in a money order, they mailed me the license. Fricken simple.

Yep. Why certified letters? Why not mail the license to you? Why all the nonsense? Ridiculous and a waste of our time and money. Waste of police resources for nonsense extra “checks”.  If you can own a handgun you can carry it. Plain and simple. Both require the exact same things to be legal.


I really hope someone challenges the requirements for licensing in itself as unconstitutional. We all know it is, according to the 2nd Amendment and the SCOTUS Bruen decision. Show me a analog of a law in the 1700 that required a license to carry a firearm.



Arizona, I filled out the renewal, sent in a money order, they mailed me the license. Fricken simple.

HIFICO brought this up and did some ball park math for cost of envelopes.

Although I only know a few with NV CCW's, all that I know have never had stuff "missing".

Yep. Why certified letters? Why not mail the license to you? Why all the nonsense? Ridiculous and a waste of our time and money. Waste of police resources for nonsense extra “checks”.  If you can own a handgun you can carry it. Plain and simple. Both require the exact same things to be legal.


I really hope someone challenges the requirements for licensing in itself as unconstitutional. We all know it is, according to the 2nd Amendment and the SCOTUS Bruen decision. Show me a analog of a law in the 1700 that required a license to carry a firearm.



Arizona, I filled out the renewal, sent in a money order, they mailed me the license. Fricken simple.

Best i can figure, this particular BS is caused by the lawyers our taxes pay.

Certified/signature receipt is the equivalent of having a Cop deliver the letter to you at your address.  It provides proof the license was sent and signed for.  If there's ever a question about when it was sent, when it was delivered, and who received it, the return receipt is legal evidence for all of that.

Anyway, this is probably being justified under the heading CYA -- so HPD isn't being sued for not mailing licenses after approval.

I've received Non-Resident CCW permits from UT, NV, FL and Maine.  They all arrived in the normal mail.  If I ever had a problem like not receiving one, I'm sure the issuing state would have had no problem sending a new one.

Best i can figure, this particular BS is caused by the lawyers our taxes pay.

Certified/signature receipt is the equivalent of having a Cop deliver the letter to you at your address.  It provides proof the license was sent and signed for.  If there's ever a question about when it was sent, when it was delivered, and who received it, the return receipt is legal evidence for all of that.

Anyway, this is probably being justified under the heading CYA -- so HPD isn't being sued for not mailing licenses after approval.

I've received Non-Resident CCW permits from UT, NV, FL and Maine.  They all arrived in the normal mail.  If I ever had a problem like not receiving one, I'm sure the issuing state would have had no problem sending a new one.

NV comes by regular mail.  HPD is just looking for another reason to delay the picking up of CCW's, even if only for a day or 2.

Another option would be to check on the application if 1 wants to pick it up instead.  But then again, this is too complicated for HPD to do.  Call applicant that they're approved.  Or mail a regular mail. A simple call log attached to the app would CYA if 1 says they never got the call.  Just staple the post it note size paper to the app.

Yep. Why certified letters? Why not mail the license to you? Why all the nonsense? Ridiculous and a waste of our time and money. Waste of police resources for nonsense extra “checks”.  If you can own a handgun you can carry it. Plain and simple. Both require the exact same things to be legal.


I really hope someone challenges the requirements for licensing in itself as unconstitutional. We all know it is, according to the 2nd Amendment and the SCOTUS Bruen decision. Show me a analog of a law in the 1700 that required a license to carry a firearm.



Arizona, I filled out the renewal, sent in a money order, they mailed me the license. Fricken simple.

I wonder if they’re worried that someone could intercept the mail from the recipient. The cards are on par with the old library cards or IDs you’d get as a student in school. You figure they’d put a little more effort into them like the holographics the drivers licenses have. I imagine someone could easily forge these low quality permit cards.

Best i can figure, this particular BS is caused by the lawyers our taxes pay.

Certified/signature receipt is the equivalent of having a Cop deliver the letter to you at your address.  It provides proof the license was sent and signed for.  If there's ever a question about when it was sent, when it was delivered, and who received it, the return receipt is legal evidence for all of that.

Anyway, this is probably being justified under the heading CYA -- so HPD isn't being sued for not mailing licenses after approval.

I've received Non-Resident CCW permits from UT, NV, FL and Maine.  They all arrived in the normal mail.  If I ever had a problem like not receiving one, I'm sure the issuing state would have had no problem sending a new one.

This is not for the license, it's for a letter that tells you, you have to go back, and pick the dang thing up.  It's a useless letter.

I wonder if they’re worried that someone could intercept the mail from the recipient. The cards are on par with the old library cards or IDs you’d get as a student in school. You figure they’d put a little more effort into them like the holographics the drivers licenses have. I imagine someone could easily forge these low quality permit cards.

Cops could easily check in their computer if the cards were legit.

Captain Obvious is saying:

Hawaii is doing the delay, discourage, and deny tactics.

I wonder if they’re worried that someone could intercept the mail from the recipient. The cards are on par with the old library cards or IDs you’d get as a student in school. You figure they’d put a little more effort into them like the holographics the drivers licenses have. I imagine someone could easily forge these low quality permit cards.

i think you have to show your state ID (driver's license, etc), when showing a cop your CCW license.  A CCW license is not considered a valid form of identification, so you'll need more than that.

Anyone forging CCW permits has to also forge a matching license.

Also, what would be the point of using a fake CCW license?

Certified/signature receipt is the equivalent of having a Cop deliver the letter to you at your address.  It provides proof the license was sent and signed for.  If there's ever a question about when it was sent, when it was delivered, and who received it, the return receipt is legal evidence for all of that.

This is 100% accurate.

I still havent gotten my letters when they were supposed to arrive last week Monday. Filed a report with USPS.

Can anybody clarify what the first item on the checklist implies? There is conflicting info in the previous replies that some peoples applications were returned due to their affidavits being signed BEFORE they took their CCW class?

"1. Documentation that, at any time in the past, you completed a firearms training or safety course
that satisfies Hawai‘i Revised Statutes (“HRS”) § 134-2(g)(4)."
 

Can anybody clarify what the first item on the checklist implies? There is conflicting info in the previous replies that some peoples applications were returned due to their affidavits being signed BEFORE they took their CCW class?

"1. Documentation that, at any time in the past, you completed a firearms training or safety course
that satisfies Hawai‘i Revised Statutes (“HRS”) § 134-2(g)(4)."

It's not that the training wasn't completed (in the past), but that the affidavit predates the day you completed that class.

It's a minor detail, but one that might flag a problem with the affidavit's validity.

Can anybody clarify what the first item on the checklist implies? There is conflicting info in the previous replies that some peoples applications were returned due to their affidavits being signed BEFORE they took their CCW class?

"1. Documentation that, at any time in the past, you completed a firearms training or safety course
that satisfies Hawai‘i Revised Statutes (“HRS”) § 134-2(g)(4)."

Instructors were giving applicants affidavits that were notarized (and dated) prior to the completion of the course.

For example, if the affidavit said that the course was completed on March 5th 2023, a wrong affidavit would had been notarized already on March 1st 2023 i.e. notaries we’re attesting to future happenings.

My instructor had also created affidavits that were signed and dated the the Thursday before the Saturday Class In Feb 2023.  HPD notified them to reissue corrected ones.  So I submitted the corrected one.  Delayed my submittal of my package towards the End of February.  got my notification at the End of April..

Why would an instructor pre-date an affidavit before actually giving the class to a student?

Why would an instructor pre-date an affidavit before actually giving the class to a student?

why would a notary notarize something that hasnt yet happened.