HPD issuing any CCW permits? (Read 44477 times)

Kai223

Re: HPD issuing any CCW permits?
« Reply #200 on: August 18, 2023, 02:23:49 PM »
I would have assumed this thread was going to get blown up with people suddenly getting their permits since the chief said he was going to clear the backlog by the end of the month. Although even a 14 day arbitrary wait period is not even necessary, to pump through 1000apps in a month seems pretty unrealistic

changemyoil66

Re: HPD issuing any CCW permits?
« Reply #201 on: August 18, 2023, 05:00:44 PM »
I would have assumed this thread was going to get blown up with people suddenly getting their permits since the chief said he was going to clear the backlog by the end of the month. Although even a 14 day arbitrary wait period is not even necessary, to pump through 1000apps in a month seems pretty unrealistic
Welcome to the lies of HPD.

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QUIETShooter

Re: HPD issuing any CCW permits?
« Reply #202 on: August 19, 2023, 07:44:09 AM »
HPD is becoming like a politician.

Tell the people what they want to hear.  :wave:
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: HPD issuing any CCW permits?
« Reply #203 on: August 19, 2023, 06:58:35 PM »
HPD is becoming like a politician.

Tell the people what they want to hear.  :wave:
"Becoming"?

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QUIETShooter

Re: HPD issuing any CCW permits?
« Reply #204 on: August 19, 2023, 07:09:13 PM »
"Becoming"?

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Yeah.  Before, they used to enforce the law. 

Now they got "promoted".  They are the law.  Just like our banana republik politicians.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: HPD issuing any CCW permits?
« Reply #205 on: August 19, 2023, 09:52:03 PM »
Yeah.  Before, they used to enforce the law. 

Now they got "promoted".  They are the law.  Just like our banana republik politicians.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: HPD issuing any CCW permits?
« Reply #206 on: August 20, 2023, 09:17:33 AM »
Yeah.  Before, they used to enforce the law. 

Now they got "promoted".  They are the law.  Just like our banana republik politicians.
Thats the problem, they enforce the law (unconstitutional ones).

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: HPD issuing any CCW permits?
« Reply #207 on: August 20, 2023, 10:03:28 AM »
Thats the problem, they enforce the law (unconstitutional ones).

If by "they" you mean the police, then what else can they do?  Politics are what they are.  if cops start deciding which laws are "just" and which are "unconstitutional," things would be worse.

Also, in order to fight the law, someone has to suffer "damages" first -- being arrested, paying bail, paying for a lawyer, sitting in jail, losing their job, ...   Luckily, courts have decided that the law can cause damages if it stops law-abiding citizens from doing whatever the law makes unlawful. That has been used as the necessary damage to have standing.  The problem is proving you would have done something if not for the law -- hard to prove a hypothetical that never actually happened.

How many times have we seen them use the excuse, "That law doesn't need to be changed or repealed, because it's not being enforced anyway?"

Refusing to enforce a law not only risks the cops' employment, it also delays any chance of challenging it and getting it taken off the books.

I don't think Cops should be picking and choosing what laws to enforce, but they ought to have discretion over whether or not to arrest someone if the law is questionable.

At some point, some brilliant lawmaker needs to pass a law that the members of the Legislature will be fined $50K each if they pass a law that has not been reviewed and deemed constitutional. If the governor signs it, then he's zapped for $100K.  Maybe that'll prevent the "let's pass it so it'll be on the books at least until a court shoots it down" tactic we see now.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: HPD issuing any CCW permits?
« Reply #208 on: August 20, 2023, 12:36:08 PM »
If by "they" you mean the police, then what else can they do?  Politics are what they are.  if cops start deciding which laws are "just" and which are "unconstitutional," things would be worse.

Also, in order to fight the law, someone has to suffer "damages" first -- being arrested, paying bail, paying for a lawyer, sitting in jail, losing their job, ...   Luckily, courts have decided that the law can cause damages if it stops law-abiding citizens from doing whatever the law makes unlawful. That has been used as the necessary damage to have standing.  The problem is proving you would have done something if not for the law -- hard to prove a hypothetical that never actually happened.

How many times have we seen them use the excuse, "That law doesn't need to be changed or repealed, because it's not being enforced anyway?"

Refusing to enforce a law not only risks the cops' employment, it also delays any chance of challenging it and getting it taken off the books.

I don't think Cops should be picking and choosing what laws to enforce, but they ought to have discretion over whether or not to arrest someone if the law is questionable.

At some point, some brilliant lawmaker needs to pass a law that the members of the Legislature will be fined $50K each if they pass a law that has not been reviewed and deemed constitutional. If the governor signs it, then he's zapped for $100K.  Maybe that'll prevent the "let's pass it so it'll be on the books at least until a court shoots it down" tactic we see now.
And this is the problem. Look at the very extreme, holocaust. It was legal for the jews to be treated that way.


Nazi soldier at jew registration
"Im not killing them, im just registering them as required by law"

Nazi soldiers going door to door kicking jews out of their home
"Im not killing them, just taking their home per the law".

Nazi solder loading jews into train
"Im not killing them. Just a simple placing into the cars per the law".

Nazi soldier at camp receiving the cars
"Im not killing them, just opening the cars and telling them where to go.

Nazi soldier guarding the camp
"Im not killing anyone, just making sure no one can leave"

Nazi soldier escorting jews to the chambers
"Im not the one pushing the button"

Guy pushing the button
"Im just obeying the comadants orders"

Comadant
"Im just following orders and law"

Himler
"I passed laws and control the media and politicians so we can so all the above".

So lets apply this to the cops at the registration window. Or PTA window, any cop reaponding to someone not obeying the to and from law, ccw holder in a sensitive place, etc...

Sheriffs across the nation stated they wont enforce red flag laws. HPD silent. Even during testimony by the chief during the sensitive places hearing, he could say "we willl not enforce this law". He's a retired general and has a huge pension/retirement income. Im sure he doesnt need the money. So he's willingly choosing for his department to enforce.

Like u said, they obey to keep their job. This is the problem. Evil prevails when good men do nothing. "Following orders".

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changemyoil66

Re: HPD issuing any CCW permits?
« Reply #209 on: August 20, 2023, 12:38:08 PM »
I know a few cops who wont obey mag limit orders if the situation came across them. 1 even stated so publicily.

Another refused to enforce the no gatherings proclamation during covid on multiple calls of complaints. Same cop also mentioned mag limits above.

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Kai223

Re: HPD issuing any CCW permits?
« Reply #210 on: August 21, 2023, 02:03:30 PM »
I couldn’t find the exact article/thread but I recall the police chief telling the public to call 911 if they suspect or someone carrying a firearm. I wonder if it’s actually happened yet because there’s no shortage of Karen’s.

There’s also no shortage of criminals who carry illegally as it is so I don’t see how his stance would make any difference other than legal gun owners being harassed and potentially shot during an encounter.

A guy I went to high school with who is now in HPD said that he’d gladly light up a ccw holder if they gave him the opportunity (not knowing that I am a holder myself) I hope that’s not the general sentiment towards permit holders but I wouldn’t doubt if it was.

QUIETShooter

Re: HPD issuing any CCW permits?
« Reply #211 on: August 21, 2023, 02:21:00 PM »
A guy I went to high school with who is now in HPD said that he’d gladly light up a ccw holder if they gave him the opportunity 

I'm afraid to think what his interpretation of "gave him the opportunity" is.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: HPD issuing any CCW permits?
« Reply #212 on: August 21, 2023, 04:32:01 PM »
I couldn’t find the exact article/thread but I recall the police chief telling the public to call 911 if they suspect or someone carrying a firearm. I wonder if it’s actually happened yet because there’s no shortage of Karen’s.

There’s also no shortage of criminals who carry illegally as it is so I don’t see how his stance would make any difference other than legal gun owners being harassed and potentially shot during an encounter.

A guy I went to high school with who is now in HPD said that he’d gladly light up a ccw holder if they gave him the opportunity (not knowing that I am a holder myself) I hope that’s not the general sentiment towards permit holders but I wouldn’t doubt if it was.
The worst part is the department will have his back. And pull a vegas costco.

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stangzilla

Re: HPD issuing any CCW permits?
« Reply #213 on: August 21, 2023, 05:33:07 PM »
I couldn’t find the exact article/thread but I recall the police chief telling the public to call 911 if they suspect or someone carrying a firearm. I wonder if it’s actually happened yet because there’s no shortage of Karen’s.

There’s also no shortage of criminals who carry illegally as it is so I don’t see how his stance would make any difference other than legal gun owners being harassed and potentially shot during an encounter.

A guy I went to high school with who is now in HPD said that he’d gladly light up a ccw holder if they gave him the opportunity (not knowing that I am a holder myself) I hope that’s not the general sentiment towards permit holders but I wouldn’t doubt if it was.

I asked an officer what she thought about CCW bc she brought up the subject
she said people want to carry bc they can't fight up and up
I thought to myself, so that means you and all the cops can't fight up and up either
I didn't pursue the subject any further bc her stance on it is obviously anti-CCW

Flapp_Jackson

Re: HPD issuing any CCW permits?
« Reply #214 on: August 21, 2023, 11:10:15 PM »
I asked an officer what she thought about CCW bc she brought up the subject
she said people want to carry bc they can't fight up and up
I thought to myself, so that means you and all the cops can't fight up and up either
I didn't pursue the subject any further bc her stance on it is obviously anti-CCW

Anyone who says "weapons are for the weak," is speaking the truth.  They just don't get it yet.

God made men, and  Sam Colt made them equal.

In a civilized society, survival of the fittest is not the rule.  It appears many in Hawaii still have an uncivilized outlook on who should be able to protect themselves.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kai223

Re: HPD issuing any CCW permits?
« Reply #215 on: August 22, 2023, 01:01:12 AM »
I'm afraid to think what his interpretation of "gave him the opportunity" is.

I’d be interested to see one of those “audit the audit” guys come out here and make a video because I’d bet my bottom dollar that the second you do your duty to inform, they’ll draw their service weapon. If they see you recording, they might exercise some restraint before unloading on you but if there’s no camera it’s their word against yours and their body cam footage will conveniently disappear if they didn’t already turn it off for the encounter.

RSN172

Re: HPD issuing any CCW permits?
« Reply #216 on: August 22, 2023, 06:39:57 AM »
I asked an officer what she thought about CCW bc she brought up the subject
she said people want to carry bc they can't fight up and up
I thought to myself, so that means you and all the cops can't fight up and up either
I didn't pursue the subject any further bc her stance on it is obviously anti-CCW
At 73, I will be the first to admit I cannot fight “up and up “ with someone younger than 60 and expect to win.
Especially now since I hurt my shoulder last September taking down an albizzia tree. On the BI, I know this tough
32 year old Hawaiian wahine that is 6’1” and 210 lbs. I like know if that wahine cop like go “up and up” with her.
Happily living in Puna

QUIETShooter

Re: HPD issuing any CCW permits?
« Reply #217 on: August 22, 2023, 07:34:02 AM »
I asked an officer what she thought about CCW bc she brought up the subject
she said people want to carry bc they can't fight up and up
I thought to myself, so that means you and all the cops can't fight up and up either
I didn't pursue the subject any further bc her stance on it is obviously anti-CCW

I couldn’t find the exact article/thread but I recall the police chief telling the public to call 911 if they suspect or someone carrying a firearm. I wonder if it’s actually happened yet because there’s no shortage of Karen’s.

There’s also no shortage of criminals who carry illegally as it is so I don’t see how his stance would make any difference other than legal gun owners being harassed and potentially shot during an encounter.

A guy I went to high school with who is now in HPD said that he'd gladly light up a ccw holder if they gave him the opportunity (not knowing that I am a holder myself) I hope that’s not the general sentiment towards permit holders but I wouldn’t doubt if it was.

In my opinion, these are reasons I believe HPD no longer employs what was once called "Honolulu's Finest".  More like the BOTBB.  (Bottom of the Barrel Brigade).
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

groveler

Re: HPD issuing any CCW permits?
« Reply #218 on: August 22, 2023, 11:21:52 AM »
Just applied for my WA state CCW license.
WA state is shall issue
Took twenty minutes to apply and get fingerprinted.
I've had WA state CCW before.
You Hawaiians are being abused by your government and y'all tolerate it.
I know the WA CCW license is not recognized in Hawaii( funny as to why they recognize
drivers licenses from out of state, Freaking Hypocrites!) but at least I can safely
roam the streets of Seattle or Missouri when I visit there.



changemyoil66

Re: HPD issuing any CCW permits?
« Reply #219 on: August 22, 2023, 12:09:54 PM »
Just applied for my WA state CCW license.
WA state is shall issue
Took twenty minutes to apply and get fingerprinted.
I've had WA state CCW before.
You Hawaiians are being abused by your government and y'all tolerate it.
I know the WA CCW license is not recognized in Hawaii( funny as to why they recognize
drivers licenses from out of state, Freaking Hypocrites!) but at least I can safely
roam the streets of Seattle or Missouri when I visit there.
Ur still being abused as the man made u give up ur prints and info.

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