I visited Seattle once and went to the usual tourist places (space needle, pikes place). I saw a bunch of cops on bikes all over and I asked why there were so many.

Turned out that it was the 1-year anniversary of the BLM riots at that time so I told my group to finish what we needed to do and get out of there before dark.  Majority of the people I saw who were wearing BLM clothing there were not blacks but caucasians.

I'm still struggling to see how people can get all riled up about this incident which in a way personifies what is happening all over the country.

It is indeed unfortunate that this individual died.  But his actions were threatening to innocents around him, and he had a history of violent and physical assaults.

Why is it that if individuals like this Neely, if he were to harm or kill someone, LE, justice system, and people would hem and haw and say prayers for the victims and family and then more often than not, this individual is out on the streets again with a slap on the wrist.

But if this "victim" would have died from efforts to subdue him, like in this case, all of a sudden people are up in arms about justice and rights and their momma will go on the news saying he or she or it was a "good boy" and just "misunderstood".

This incident was not a case of racial inequality, or BLM, or the homeless problem.  It was just a plain and simple violent individual who thought his shit smelled better than anyone else.  An inconsiderate, selfish, POS who needed to be put in his or it's place.

But people are quick to be up in arms to use race, homeless, or BLM.  These people, like that man Neely, are full of shiite and are just using the incident to further their agenda.

Free speech allows exchange of ideas openly, even if ideas might be unpopular or offensive to others. Just because it’s allowed doesn’t mean we agree.

It also doesn’t mean you should engage or debate, especially when the person doesn’t really want or intend to have an honest conversation.

If you believe in 2A, you must also believe in the rest of the document in its entirety, if we all want to call ourselves Constitutional Conservatives.  Other wise you’d be engaging in some hypocrisy.  Don’t you think.

I respectfully disagree. 

Free speech is so the government cannot censor you. What we have seen with FB, IG, Twitter is a corporation censoring, which is usually their call.  But when the government steps in and tells/suggest to censor, we come back to the root problem of the government doing it.  If the government is not involved and 1 doesn't like how censoring is being done, then they can choose to leave.

This forum is a private entity and not a government one, so you can censor as you please.  Here's an example, with EEF, has often has thoughts that go against the common thought on this forum. But what makes him different and IMO respectable is he often backs up his thought process.  It may not be 100% correct, but at least he tries to show.  Even though he's not on here daily, when he does return, he does this.  Compare this to a hit and run type tactic.  EEF post things that can be open for discussion.  This goes both ways as well, other members including myself may have 1 train of thought and post evidence when questioned why.  Then a discussion takes place for both sides.  We may not agree in the end, but a civil discussion does take place.

Now lets take this to another example where wrong info has been posted over and over and over again, even though they were shown why.  1+1=2 but yet 1 member states it equals 19.  There is a point where many discussions now turn not into a discussion, but either trolling or lack of logic.  Especially if it can be proven.  Certain topics cannot be proven or disprove, so those are fine.  These other discussions go in circles and are a waist of time after a certain point.  But what the initial benefit is of these discussion is to show both sides of the discussion.  Example is when I posted that I'm for abortion and the why.  I then posted that this is my own ethics/morals/feelings and the thread didn't go on for 10 additional pages of someone trying to change my mind.  They may post their ethics/values/morals/feelings.  This is a topic where there is no mathematical or logical answer, unless I made a statement that wasn't accurate and my opinion was largely based on this inaccurate statement.  Then we refer back to having a discussion.

Now lets take most recent examples of hit and run. Free speech is claimed.  So if a someone post 20 pages of random garbage, would you not ban that person?  How about 8 post back to back of things that are not true.  Where do you draw the line?  Initially, they're given a chance to defend any statements made.  But again, after a certain point, it's obvious that they're only here to disrupt. 

Now say members take your advice and ignore. Any new visitor to the forum will see massive back to back post of things that often go against the 2A thought process or are logically not accurate.  And think this is what the forum represents.  What do you think their initial thoughts will be?  It's going to be to  not return here.  This is 1 less HI 2A member.  At first, I thought ignore is a good action, but it's good that Flap debunks almost all threads/postings made that are not accurate and the why they are not accurate.  So if anyone does bother to read the thread, they will see that after a while someone is almost always wrong.  But this will take time to realize.

This is just my $0.02 and you guys can run this forum as you please.  But we have seen knowledgeable members leave after repeated lack of logical discussion and I know a few other newer ones who didn't return due to these events.

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It's also very bad when 1 person makes statements for another that are not true.  Like "so you agree that X is Y." with no question mark, as in it's not asking if they agree, but stated an imaginary response that they agree.

I'm still struggling to see how people can get all riled up about this incident which in a way personifies what is happening all over the country.

Many don't know how to think for themselves and use logic.  Feelings is a strong motivator.  Control the flow of info and you control the people.  Dictators use this tactic.

New video released showing the Marine, Danny Penny (or Perry? both names were in one article), placed the assailant in a "recovery position" when he was unconscious and attempted to revive him.  As other passengers exited the train, they cheered and applauded him.

This was not a case of a single individual making a bad judgement call.  it's a case of an unfortunate outcome while taking action to prevent harm to the assailant and those he was threatening.

AOC HUMILIATED After New Video DEBUNKS Democrats,
Proves Daniel Penny Tried To SAVE Jordan Neely

the "victim" was on the top 50 list of people in new york that needed psych treatment
and had assaulted multiple people...

the "victim" was on the top 50 list of people in new york that needed psych treatment
and had assaulted multiple people...

OP; "He had been arrested 42 times including for hitting a 67-year-old woman in the face."

How many arrests and how many acts of violence are needed before the person is able to be taken off the streets for treatment?

The "old" standard for commitment to a mental health facility was "can they take care of themselves?"

Now, it seems the standard is "Leave them to fend for themselves until after they commit multiple violent felonies."

Daniel Penny, the Subway Samaritan, was charged with second-degree manslaughter.  If convicted, he could get 15-20 years in prison, depending on which "news" report you believe.

The day he was charged, his legal defense fund increased half a million dollars.  So far, the fund has raised over $2M.

Any excess funds raised that do not go for his defense will be donated to a mental health treatment charity or hospital.

 

Daniel Penny, the Subway Samaritan, was charged with second-degree manslaughter.  If convicted, he could get 15-20 years in prison, depending on which "news" report you believe.

The day he was charged, his legal defense fund increased half a million dollars.  So far, the fund has raised over $2M.

Any excess funds raised that do not go for his defense will be donated to a mental health treatment charity or hospital.

 

People donating to his defense fund are seeing through the BS spewed by AOC and many others like her.

The final defense for women and the weak are gone.

Defund the cops
Release career criminals

Only thing left was mens chilvary

Now NY will prosecute it.


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Daniel penny's legal defense fundraiser is nearing $3M.  It's over $2.7M at the moment.

Liberals now want EVERYONE ON THAT TRAIN CHARGED because they didn't stop Penny from "killing" Jordan Neely.

So, they want Penny put in prison for intervening in Neely threatening people on the train, but they also want everyone else punished for .... not intervening?

 

https://www.givesendgo.com/daniel_penny

Floyd 2.0. He had a nice casket and race baiter of the century Al sharp was there.

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Floyd 2.0. He had a nice casket and race baiter of the century Al sharp was there.

Neely's family has raised over $100K.  I'm pretty sure the funeral expenses are not going to be close to that -- even with a catered wake and open bar!  I'm sure someone will be riding to the memorial service in a new Caddy.

 

People can donate to the people they want to if it's with their own money.  The disparate amounts raised between the two "sides" kind of shows where public support lies.

If only the family had raised $100K to pay for mental health and rehab services for Neely -- who was on the city's list of top 50 mental health cases needing attention -- ...

In my opinion it seems this Neely guy was only useful to his family dead.

I wonder, when he was alive was there "support" and "love" from his family?

In my opinion it seems this Neely guy was only useful to his family dead.

I wonder, when he was alive was there "support" and "love" from his family?

If there was any love and support, he would have been someplace else being looked after (committed?) instead of out where he could continue being a threat to himself and others, as he'd proven more than once to be.

In my opinion it seems this Neely guy was only useful to his family dead.

I wonder, when he was alive was there "support" and "love" from his family?

Yup, they gonna get money now.

If there was any love and support, he would have been someplace else being looked after (committed?) instead of out where he could continue being a threat to himself and others, as he'd proven more than once to be.

If we could avoid places like "one flew over the cuckoo's nest"
I'd be all for commitment. I'd be more than willing to take a percentage
of our existing Police dollars and direct them to "hospitals" for the mentally ill.
Freedom is not free and we have to pay a price for it.
In our present world "shall issue" CCW makes more sense than ever.
Hawaii citizens have never demonstrated any common sense, so
I would not hold my breath.
 
 

If we could avoid places like "one flew over the cuckoo's nest"
I'd be all for commitment. I'd be more than willing to take a percentage
of our existing Police dollars and direct them to "hospitals" for the mentally ill.
Freedom is not free and we have to pay a price for it.
In our present world "shall issue" CCW makes more sense than ever.
Hawaii citizens have never demonstrated any common sense, so
I would not hold my breath.
 

We spend tons of money used to support jails and prisons, police, courts, homeless shelters, clinics and all the services they employee.

Take part of that and pepper in some dedicated medical professionals and insurance/VA/Medicare/Medicaid payments for treatment, and you have the funds to take some of the mentally ill out of the prisons and courts in order to actually treat them.  maybe some will actually be able to live a normal life, hold a job and be self-supporting if/when the treatment works.

The system is lazy.  instead of trying to solve the problems, they prefer to keep cleaning up the messes resulting from mentally ill living and causing havoc on the streets.

We spend tons of money used to support jails and prisons, police, courts, homeless shelters, clinics and all the services they employee.

Take part of that and pepper in some dedicated medical professionals and insurance/VA/Medicare/Medicaid payments for treatment, and you have the funds to take some of the mentally ill out of the prisons and courts in order to actually treat them.  maybe some will actually be able to live a normal life, hold a job and be self-supporting if/when the treatment works.

The system is lazy.  instead of trying to solve the problems, they prefer to keep cleaning up the messes resulting from mentally ill living and causing havoc on the streets.

With MDA/ET and like put their $ toward mental health services instead of what they spend it on now.

With MDA/ET and like put their $ toward mental health services instead of what they spend it on now.

I believe there are many ways the money can be found.

Some nursing homes care for residents 24/7, and Medicare/Medicaid covers most of that.  If the individual had property & savings, those assets have to be used down to about $2000 before Medicare kicks in.  Of course, the resident still gets social security income and maybe other retirement income, so that $2000 can be spent on personal expenses, birthday gifts, and so on with those income sources replenishing it.

Someone with a family that can chip in or enough cash, insurance and retirement income can afford a better quality of life for the resident rather than being kept in a state run institution.

There's a misconception that all resident mental health options look like Arkham Asylum, when in fact there are private hospitals for treating psychological problems if the patient and/or their family can help pay.