mass Drug OD event in waikiki (Read 5548 times)

changemyoil66

Re: mass Drug OD event in waikiki
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2023, 07:08:01 PM »
If only ...

My simple solution would be for the government to start putting even more narcotics on the street -- but cut with NARCAN.

That would not only prevent who knows how many deaths, but also covertly ween people off narcotics with no knowledge they are blocking the effects of the drugs by taking it.  Even if they buy non-NARCAN dope, if they also use gov't NARCAN drugs, they will still be blocking some of the narcotics.

Regardless of feasibility and results, I think it would be a great experiment in a city with rampant drug addiction.  Priced below market cost, it might have an effect on addiction.   :shaka:
I may know people who live in CO when weed became legal. The illegal weed market was reduced. But instead the drug dealers shifted to harsher drugs. Some also gave it up cause weed in their morals was fine. Coke not so much.

I havent heard how NV is doing with their recent legalization of weed. As in from people who may or maynot be drug dealers. But walking the strip now, u smell it all the time. People even walking and smoking, even though illegal to do.

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changemyoil66

Re: mass Drug OD event in waikiki
« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2023, 09:19:24 AM »
The news is saying there have been an uptick in the past 4 weeks for fentyl OD's. They're saying it's cause it's being shipped by the mail here and where it's made (they didn't say), there is no quality control oversight.  So they putting too much inside.  I mean, I guess we should pass a law requiring department of health workers visit these cook houses to make sure the quality is sufficient.

ren

Re: mass Drug OD event in waikiki
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2023, 09:23:35 AM »
Reality. Face it.

Deeds Not Words

QUIETShooter

Re: mass Drug OD event in waikiki
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2023, 10:46:13 AM »
Ha ha.  More and more people nowadays expect other people to hold their hands......

Just like little children.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: mass Drug OD event in waikiki
« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2023, 11:08:37 AM »
The news is saying there have been an uptick in the past 4 weeks for fentyl OD's. They're saying it's cause it's being shipped by the mail here and where it's made (they didn't say), there is no quality control oversight.  So they putting too much inside.  I mean, I guess we should pass a law requiring department of health workers visit these cook houses to make sure the quality is sufficient.

The drugs aren't necessarily being distributed by the producers with too much Fentanyl (aka fentanil).  From what I've read, the synthetic opioid is 50-100 times as potent as morphine, and it is difficult to control the potency for any given individual.  Add to that the users who are chasing a high aren't aware they are taking too much until it's done.  The drug can be - and is - added to a variety of other drugs including marijuana, cocaine, heroin, etc.  It's also available in pill form.

Quote
Fentanyl continues to fuel an epidemic of synthetic opioid drug overdose deaths
in the United States. While prescription opioid deaths remained stable from 2011
to 2021, synthetic opioid deaths increased from 2,600 overdose deaths per year
to 76,238 per year.[16] Since 2018, fentanyl and its analogues have been responsible
for most drug overdose deaths in the United States, causing over 71,238 deaths
in 2021.[17][16][18] Fentanyl constitutes the majority of all drug overdose deaths in
the United States since it overtook heroin in 2018.[17] The United States National
Forensic Laboratory estimates fentanyl reports by federal, state, and local forensic
laboratories increased from 4,697 reports in 2014 to 117,045 reports in 2020.
...
Alcohol and other drugs (i.e., cocaine, heroin) can synergistically exacerbate fentanyl's
side effects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fentanyl

BTW, just in CA, the NARCAN distribution programs have reversed over 173K overdoses since 2018.  That means those OD death totals could have been upwards of 2.5 times as many.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: mass Drug OD event in waikiki
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2023, 11:19:01 AM »
Is there info you can provide to best estimate how many saved changed their lives around?  But doesn't include accidents like a 5 year old ingesting it or a cop touching it.

There was another VICE show or maybe NatGeo, about meth and a cookhouse portion was done. The ER doc was talking about a cooker who got 3rd degree burns in 99% of his body and the state or whoever needs to pay the bill for his care. He mentioned events like this are common and so are seeing the same OD'ers in the ER.  I dont remember which city this ER was in or if he mentioned how many changed their lives. This is only 1 ER , which is why I'm asking for stats.

And right on cue, the bill Tam presented was on the news this morn too.  I think he was even interviewed about it, but I was in the other room so I didn't see him, but it sounded like him.

changemyoil66

Re: mass Drug OD event in waikiki
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2023, 11:28:16 AM »
On a somewhat related note, why can't the dealers be charged with murder?  On Drugs Inc, there was a docu about MDMA and a young Asian dealer was in jail for 20 years cause someone OD'd on what he sold .  This was in the US. I dont remember what state. They didnt get into the full details like how he was charged and all the evidence, but he's working in the prison to bring awareness of drug use and dealing.

This was the only time I heard of a dealer being found guilty.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: mass Drug OD event in waikiki
« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2023, 11:47:32 AM »
Is there info you can provide to best estimate how many saved changed their lives around?  But doesn't include accidents like a 5 year old ingesting it or a cop touching it.

There was another VICE show or maybe NatGeo, about meth and a cookhouse portion was done. The ER doc was talking about a cooker who got 3rd degree burns in 99% of his body and the state or whoever needs to pay the bill for his care. He mentioned events like this are common and so are seeing the same OD'ers in the ER.  I dont remember which city this ER was in or if he mentioned how many changed their lives. This is only 1 ER , which is why I'm asking for stats.

And right on cue, the bill Tam presented was on the news this morn too.  I think he was even interviewed about it, but I was in the other room so I didn't see him, but it sounded like him.
I don't know if those numbers are available nationally.  Trying to pin that number down would involve studying mental health, psychological trauma (PTSD), physical pain (self-medicating to ease day-to-day suffering) and all the other factors that might be the underlying reason someone became addicted to drugs and alcohol.  Not everyone who uses does it for the high alone.  Cancer patients often seek out illegal substances for pain management and to increase appetite.  Some use drugs to quiet the voices in their head because they've never seen a doctor for diagnosis or treatment, and our system won't let government force treatment unless they've committed violent crimes or attempted suicide.

However, there's evidence that not saving someones life will prevent them from kicking their habit and making a fresh start 100% of the time.

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Studies have repeatedly concluded that harm reduction does not promote drug use,
and a California naloxone distribution program reversed 173,948 overdoses since
2018, a spokesman for the state Department of Health Care Services said. L.A.
community members reversed more than 5,000 overdoses with naloxone during the
COVID-19 pandemic.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-05-30/desperate-to-stop-fentanyl-deaths-officials-are-distributing-drug-pipes

Of course, we all know how accurate studies can be.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: mass Drug OD event in waikiki
« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2023, 11:50:14 AM »
On a somewhat related note, why can't the dealers be charged with murder?  On Drugs Inc, there was a docu about MDMA and a young Asian dealer was in jail for 20 years cause someone OD'd on what he sold .  This was in the US. I dont remember what state. They didnt get into the full details like how he was charged and all the evidence, but he's working in the prison to bring awareness of drug use and dealing.

This was the only time I heard of a dealer being found guilty.

Think about how difficult it can be to tie a death to a specific drug sold or manufactured by a specific individual.  it's not like the drugs are all unique colors that can be made and sold by one group or person.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: mass Drug OD event in waikiki
« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2023, 12:17:13 PM »
Think about how difficult it can be to tie a death to a specific drug sold or manufactured by a specific individual.  it's not like the drugs are all unique colors that can be made and sold by one group or person.



That's why it would be nice if Drugs Inc. went more into it. I mean I could google his name, but I have to find the episode first, then take the time to read the details. But I get why they didn't. This was just a sub-plot to the docu.

groveler

Re: mass Drug OD event in waikiki
« Reply #30 on: June 06, 2023, 07:03:47 PM »
Reality. Face it.


I would have just shot him.
Too much effort to fight with him.
I was a SSGT in the military.
Army is a lot different than USAF,
but we know the driil as well as any other E5 in the military.
 :thumbsup:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: mass Drug OD event in waikiki
« Reply #31 on: June 06, 2023, 07:17:25 PM »
I would have just shot him.
Too much effort to fight with him.
I was a SSGT in the military.
Army is a lot different than USAF,
but we know the driil as well as any other E5 in the military.
 :thumbsup:


The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: mass Drug OD event in waikiki
« Reply #32 on: June 06, 2023, 07:57:10 PM »
I would have just shot him.
Too much effort to fight with him.
I was a SSGT in the military.
Army is a lot different than USAF,
but we know the driil as well as any other E5 in the military.
 :thumbsup:

you were in the Air Force?  :rofl:
Deeds Not Words

groveler

Re: mass Drug OD event in waikiki
« Reply #33 on: June 06, 2023, 08:18:59 PM »
you were in the Air Force?  :rofl:
Well over 5 years and service connected disabled,  yes.
Vietnam era.
I was crawling over Nukes at age 18. What were you doing at age 18?
Nukes were not laughing matters then or now.
Military service used to be honorable.


groveler

Re: mass Drug OD event in waikiki
« Reply #34 on: June 06, 2023, 08:20:38 PM »

My favorite gun.
I hated cleaning M-16s after quals.

ren

Re: mass Drug OD event in waikiki
« Reply #35 on: June 06, 2023, 09:02:04 PM »
Well over 5 years and service connected disabled,  yes.
Vietnam era.
I was crawling over Nukes at age 18. What were you doing at age 18?
Nukes were not laughing matters then or now.
Military service used to be honorable.

I was still living with my parents and played Nintendo Duck Hunt in the living room. Great times :thumbsup:
Deeds Not Words

Flapp_Jackson

Re: mass Drug OD event in waikiki
« Reply #36 on: June 06, 2023, 09:17:11 PM »
Well over 5 years and service connected disabled,  yes.
Vietnam era.
I was crawling over Nukes at age 18. What were you doing at age 18?
Nukes were not laughing matters then or now.
Military service used to be honorable.

Let's see.  At 18 I was halfway through my senior year in HS. 

I was in band (clarinet, bassoon, sax, percussion),
Deputy Commander for our AFJROTC detachment and official squadron photographer for 4 years,
keeping on the honor roll grade-wise,
applying for colleges  in my state,
jumping through hoops for my AFROTC college scholarship application (in-person interviews, physical exam, etc.),
working 2 part time jobs (ice cream & dairy plant and retail store asst. mgr. plus school bus driver),
learning and practicing for the regional CAP air navigation competition (first time I ever flew a plane while the pilot searched for a barf bag for my partner),
applying for financial aid in case my scholarship fell through,
took the majority of the photos used in the Year Book including the senior portraits that a professional normally does (his film didn't develop, or something, so i was asked last minute to meet the printer's deadline),
bought a 1966 VW Beetle that needed lots of work (first car I owned),
and of course all the football games, concerts, drill competitions and elementary school visits we did each year.

Good times!
Those are just the highlights.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: mass Drug OD event in waikiki
« Reply #37 on: June 07, 2023, 02:18:25 PM »
I was crawling over Nukes at age 18.

If someone said that today it would have a whole different meaning
The F in Communism stands for Food

groveler

Re: mass Drug OD event in waikiki
« Reply #38 on: June 07, 2023, 06:02:18 PM »
If someone said that today it would have a whole different meaning
What is that?
I was fixing B-52H models  avionics armed with AGM 69s
I went into the military at age 17.
First posting after tech school was Strategic Air Command Minot ND.
The only other "nuke" I know of is microwave cooking.
 :geekdanc:

changemyoil66

Re: mass Drug OD event in waikiki
« Reply #39 on: June 09, 2023, 11:11:19 AM »
So my friend just told me a story yesterday.  There's the top DJ Illenium in the US. He OD'd like 6 years ago before he was famous and quit drugs.  IDK if Narcan or like substance was used.  But he is totally sober, he doesn't even drink alcohol.  When my friend was partying with him, he had bottle water the entire time.   this is amazing as the club culture has easy access to drugs.