The Training Industry (Lots of people should rebuild their house) (Read 3297 times)

macsak

drck1000

Re: The Training Industry (Lots of people should rebuild their house)
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2023, 12:33:59 PM »
Was discussing planning for attending future shooting courses with a few friends recently and Ben, Xray, etc and this topic came up.  I had been considering taking a course from Ben, Xray, Vision Fukus, Joel Park, etc, along with others like Point 1, JBS, etc.  Anyways, the opinion of Ben as a good shooter and instructor, where he definitely will improve your shooting, but many can find super abrasive as well as petty.  I had dealt with Ben a while back when I bought a bunch of stuff from his website.  From magazines to holsters and he was always super cool.  That was before his YT videos, IG, etc got popular. 

From the convos that I've seen, Ben also seems to know what he knows.  Yeah, I think he's open minded to folks that are within his circle.  However, I've also seen where he lays down some harsh criticism based on feedback that folks that attend his classes had in other classes.  Where what was conveyed wasn't accurate to what was being taught.  Ben didn't take the time to understand, nor want to understand.  That's his perogative, but in a way, that's his own version of echo chamber. 

Overall, I like training with and taking classes from a variety of folks.  More tools for the tool box.  Especially like when instructors also have that mindset of take what I teach if it works for you, but be sure to give it a fair shake.  Also where instructors are able to find a way to make you better, no matter if you're doing it "their way". 

macsak

Re: The Training Industry (Lots of people should rebuild their house)
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2023, 12:38:03 PM »
gud enuff...

Was discussing planning for attending future shooting courses with a few friends recently and Ben, Xray, etc and this topic came up.  I had been considering taking a course from Ben, Xray, Vision Fukus, Joel Park, etc, along with others like Point 1, JBS, etc.  Anyways, the opinion of Ben as a good shooter and instructor, where he definitely will improve your shooting, but many can find super abrasive as well as petty.  I had dealt with Ben a while back when I bought a bunch of stuff from his website.  From magazines to holsters and he was always super cool.  That was before his YT videos, IG, etc got popular. 

From the convos that I've seen, Ben also seems to know what he knows.  Yeah, I think he's open minded to folks that are within his circle.  However, I've also seen where he lays down some harsh criticism based on feedback that folks that attend his classes had in other classes.  Where what was conveyed wasn't accurate to what was being taught.  Ben didn't take the time to understand, nor want to understand.  That's his perogative, but in a way, that's his own version of echo chamber. 

Overall, I like training with and taking classes from a variety of folks.  More tools for the tool box.  Especially like when instructors also have that mindset of take what I teach if it works for you, but be sure to give it a fair shake.  Also where instructors are able to find a way to make you better, no matter if you're doing it "their way".

changemyoil66

Re: The Training Industry (Lots of people should rebuild their house)
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2023, 05:23:28 PM »
Was discussing planning for attending future shooting courses with a few friends recently and Ben, Xray, etc and this topic came up.  I had been considering taking a course from Ben, Xray, Vision Fukus, Joel Park, etc, along with others like Point 1, JBS, etc.  Anyways, the opinion of Ben as a good shooter and instructor, where he definitely will improve your shooting, but many can find super abrasive as well as petty.  I had dealt with Ben a while back when I bought a bunch of stuff from his website.  From magazines to holsters and he was always super cool.  That was before his YT videos, IG, etc got popular. 

From the convos that I've seen, Ben also seems to know what he knows.  Yeah, I think he's open minded to folks that are within his circle.  However, I've also seen where he lays down some harsh criticism based on feedback that folks that attend his classes had in other classes.  Where what was conveyed wasn't accurate to what was being taught.  Ben didn't take the time to understand, nor want to understand.  That's his perogative, but in a way, that's his own version of echo chamber. 

Overall, I like training with and taking classes from a variety of folks.  More tools for the tool box.  Especially like when instructors also have that mindset of take what I teach if it works for you, but be sure to give it a fair shake.  Also where instructors are able to find a way to make you better, no matter if you're doing it "their way".

I also learn from others while said instructors are lecturing/teaching them something. Which is why even though I'm not the one being talked to, I try to listen. But not creeper style...

macsak

Re: The Training Industry (Lots of people should rebuild their house)
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2023, 07:38:31 PM »
you left out, "in my opinion"...

I also learn from others while said instructors are lecturing/teaching them something. Which is why even though I'm not the one being talked to, I try to listen. But not creeper style...

changemyoil66

Re: The Training Industry (Lots of people should rebuild their house)
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2023, 10:01:24 PM »
you left out, "in my opinion"...
Lul

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drck1000

Re: The Training Industry (Lots of people should rebuild their house)
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2023, 10:39:59 AM »
I also learn from others while said instructors are lecturing/teaching them something. Which is why even though I'm not the one being talked to, I try to listen. But not creeper style...
Definitely, as well as observing what others are doing, what the instructors picks up on, and how to diagnose and correct.  The good instructors are really good about breaking down what they see, correcting, and most importantly "arming" the student with how to diagnose and correct if/when it comes up later.  There are many times when the shooter doesn't even realize they are doing something.  That's where video are super helpful. 

I was in a class where a buddy was double clutching on his draw.  He was insistent he wasn't.  After the instructor mentioned, I took a video (since I was in the other relay).  Showed my buddy the video and he was like "oh, I guess I do do that".   ;D

And you are def creeper style. . .