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Plus 1 shot themself.

Gen z is what happens when you do too many medical experiments on a population

HPD might have to look into their instructors and their training regimen.

Drill instructors in the military are trained to push the envelope without incurring injuries or cases like these.

Once in a while is inevitable but 4?  Plus 1 shot themself?  WTF is going on over there.

WTF is going on over there.

They are receiving the finest training possible by the finest instructors available to become Honolulu's finest.

I can't say why this situation played out this way, however I have been saying that as we create a society with less and less respect for elders, and authority these things happen. Add an overinflated sense of importance, and entitlement, and you create a society of people who don't recognize the importance of other's instructions, and therefore the validity, or the seriousness  those instructions.
Keep up with what we have been doing to our children, and the fabric of our society, and the documentary Idiocracy will  happen much sooner than 500 years in the future.

They are receiving the finest training possible by the finest instructors available to become Honolulu's finest.

 

The police training, at least for Honolulu, is some of the best in the nation and is very difficult.  Concussions, heat injuries, broken bones, sprains and strains, happen quite often.  The training is hard as there are no timeouts when one cop may be fending off a gang.  Though 4 heat injuries at the same time is very unusual.  But it could be as simple as delaying or skipping a break.

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Plus 1 shot themself.

When I was in USAF BMT Lackland AFB which is was less strenuous than other services
We ran a mile and a half timed in 114F temperatures.
Did "confidence course" training barbed wired, simuated explosions and gunfire
in the same temperatures.
I know cops are not soldiers (although they like to dress up like them eg SWAT teams)
but a certain level of physical endurance should be required.
Else you get women and fat police whose first action is to pull their Glock out and shoot.
That is not policing  that is war.
Don't be surprised if the public gets the message and cops are killed/executed.
 




 

HPD might have to look into their instructors and their training regimen.

Drill instructors in the military are trained to push the envelope without incurring injuries or cases like these.

Once in a while is inevitable but 4?  Plus 1 shot themself?  WTF is going on over there.

Prior military has historically been the most desirable recruiting pool for law enforcement.

Prior military have physical standards, understand chain of command, are accustomed to being in uniform (follow standards of attire), are proficient with firearms, etc, etc.

Seems like most applicants now are just high school grads or are seeking a criminal justice and/or a law degree.

Standards appear to have stepped aside in the name of inclusivity and tolerance.   

The police training, at least for Honolulu, is some of the best in the nation and is very difficult.  Concussions, heat injuries, broken bones, sprains and strains, happen quite often.  The training is hard as there are no timeouts when one cop may be fending off a gang.  Though 4 heat injuries at the same time is very unusual.  But it could be as simple as delaying or skipping a break.

I think you are way too submissive of local cops.
Any training where people are getting hurt is abusive and doesn't
teach a damn thing except how to be abusive.
Cops are NOT soldiers.
They  are police.

I think you are way too submissive of local cops.
Any training where people are getting hurt is abusive and doesn't
teach a damn thing except how to be abusive.
Cops are NOT soldiers.
They  are police.

Police work is harder than the military in some ways.

Military you have a team or squad with you.  You might be able to retreat.

Police, you're on your own until backup arrives.  And you may not have the option of retreating.

Police work is harder than the military in some ways.

Military you have a team or squad with you.  You might be able to retreat.

Police, you're on your own until backup arrives.  And you may not have the option of retreating.

From my experience, they wouldn't be in a position where they needed to retreat if they didn't escalate a situation unnecessarily.

Luck of the draw, but some Cops, not just in Honolulu, must have taken classes in how to push people's buttons to get them to react negatively.  I guess it's not a good shift if they don't get to arrest someone. 

I had an interaction where the first officer on scene was a good listener, asked good questions and basically put everyone at ease while she got the details.  As soon as her partner (maybe backup?) arrived, he immediately started trying to escalate the situation -- giving that vibe that he's 5 seconds away from yelling "Get on the ground!  Stop resisting!"

He even asked me where my registered firearms were.  They were in Hawaii, and I was on the mainland, but I couldn't figure out how he knew I had firearms registered in another state.  There's no national registry, right?

Right??   

The police training, at least for Honolulu, is some of the best in the nation and is very difficult.  Concussions, heat injuries, broken bones, sprains and strains, happen quite often.  The training is hard as there are no timeouts when one cop may be fending off a gang.  Though 4 heat injuries at the same time is very unusual.  But it could be as simple as delaying or skipping a break.

HPD makes these guys look good!

I get the strains, sprains, concussions, etc…….

But recruit shot himself at their indoor range ?

I get the strains, sprains, concussions, etc…….

But recruit shot himself at their indoor range ?

At least he didn't shoot the instructor.   That has happened on the mainland,  but the one I am recalling was not at a police academy.

Glass half full. 

At least he didn't shoot the instructor.   That has happened on the mainland,  but the one I am recalling was not at a police academy.

Anybody who has instructed
shooters knows  you never stand on their strong side.
 

HPD might have to look into their instructors and their training regimen.

Drill instructors in the military are trained to push the envelope without incurring injuries or cases like these.

Once in a while is inevitable but 4?  Plus 1 shot themself?  WTF is going on over there.

From what I have read, heat stroke, and the opposite, hypothermia, isn't that uncommon in military training.

It is a fair question though, were they over worked, under supervised, or even really out of shape?

From what I have read, heat stroke, and the opposite, hypothermia, isn't that uncommon in military training.

It is a fair question though, were they over worked, under supervised, or even really out of shape?

It is, in fact, very uncommon in military training.  Of course rates vary by service, location and type of training/specialties.

In 2021, heat stroke incidents among recruits was just 25.  The Army alone had more than 30K recruits, so that number is not really a "common" occurrence. 

Military leaders are taught to take great care to avoid heat-related illness among many other physical ailments that can reduce combat effectiveness.  In my training, the base would raise a red flag to indicate that the heat index was too high for physical exertion.  We ate 3 meals a day in the mess hall, and every person was required to take 2 tall glasses of water in addition to any other beverages we chose.  In survival training, we sought out shade, drank 1 qt of water per hour, and were instructed on the signs of heat exhaustion and dehydration.

This was in Texas during August, the hottest month of the year.