It made Everytown news:

Fatal Police Shooting of 21-Year-Old Pregnant Black Woman, Ta’Kiya Young, Once Again Highlights Need to Take Action on Gun Violence By Police
https://www.everytown.org/press/fatal-police-shooting-of-21-year-old-pregnant-black-woman-takiya-young-once-again-highlights-need-to-take-action-on-gun-violence-by-police/

Why wouldn't she get out of the car.

Now she's dead.

And her unborn child is too.

I guess her child was not that important.

It made Everytown news:

Fatal Police Shooting of 21-Year-Old Pregnant Black Woman, Ta’Kiya Young, Once Again Highlights Need to Take Action on Gun Violence By Police
https://www.everytown.org/press/fatal-police-shooting-of-21-year-old-pregnant-black-woman-takiya-young-once-again-highlights-need-to-take-action-on-gun-violence-by-police/

What's glaringly obvious in that Everytown article is:

1.  They are pushing a new narrative -- "police gun violence" and "police violence."  They state "police violence is gun violence -- plain and simple."

2.  They don't discuss a single fact of the shooting other than

Today, Ohio authorities released official bodycam footage showing 21-year-old
Ta’Kiya Young being shot and killed by Ohio police officers on August 24. In the
video, Young, who was pregnant, is heard asking police officers “are you going
to shoot me.”

That's it, other than calling the shooting "murder."  The rest is MDA talking point nonsense, using Ohio and US stats to create a false racist narrative since more Blacks are shot and killed by police according to their one source, Mapping Police Violence.

According to a Washington Times report in 2015, "An analysis shows that more white people died at the hands of law enforcement than those of any other race in the last two years, even as the Justice Department, social-justice groups and media coverage focus on black victims of police force."

While it's true that the proportion of Blacks being killed by cops is higher than Whites, there's no standard deviation in statistics that measures the proportion of a specific race of people being in any study group.  if the rate is higher, there are other factors.  There's no expectation that the same percentage of Whites and Blacks commit crimes, are violent, or fail to comply with police officers.  Most of that is cultural and engrained in one's perception of police from a young age.  if you grow up hating police and thinking they will shoot you simply because you're Black, that attitude drives your actions when encountering police -- even if you think you're innocent.

There have also been statistical studies in 2019 showing that police are NOT more likely to shoot a Black suspect than a White one.

What's glaringly obvious in that Everytown article is:

1.  They are pushing a new narrative -- "police gun violence" and "police violence."  They state "police violence is gun violence -- plain and simple."

2.  They don't discuss a single fact of the shooting other than
That's it, other than calling the shooting "murder."  The rest is MDA talking point nonsense, using Ohio and US stats to create a false racist narrative since more Blacks are shot and killed by police according to their one source, Mapping Police Violence.

According to a Washington Times report in 2015, "An analysis shows that more white people died at the hands of law enforcement than those of any other race in the last two years, even as the Justice Department, social-justice groups and media coverage focus on black victims of police force."

While it's true that the proportion of Blacks being killed by cops is higher than Whites, there's no standard deviation in statistics that measures the proportion of a specific race of people being in any study group.  if the rate is higher, there are other factors.  There's no expectation that the same percentage of Whites and Blacks commit crimes, are violent, or fail to comply with police officers.  Most of that is cultural and engrained in one's perception of police from a young age.  if you grow up hating police and thinking they will shoot you simply because you're Black, that attitude drives your actions when encountering police -- even if you think you're innocent.

There have also been statistical studies in 2019 showing that police are NOT more likely to shoot a Black suspect than a White one.

Hope anti 2a push hard enough that cops wont just obey orders and enforce unconstitutional laws or support like politicians.



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Why wouldn't she get out of the car.

Now she's dead.

And her unborn child is too.

I guess her child was not that important.

Two thoughts:
1. In a situation like that the human brain is not so good at complex long term thinking. I doubt she considered her life, her daughter's life, etc. She was probably more worried about getting caught. She might have thought the cop wouldn't actually shoot.
2. It almost seems like there is this need in some people to respond to aggression with aggression. Complying is seen as weakness, giving up. Show strength instead, be tough on the streets. Maybe even a racial or bias against polices, she had to maintain some image of being against "the white male cop". Maybe not but just a thought.

The situation however was entirely in her hands to avoid.

 

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Two thoughts:
1. In a situation like that the human brain is not so good at complex long term thinking. I doubt she considered her life, her daughter's life, etc. She was probably more worried about getting caught. She might have thought the cop wouldn't actually shoot.
2. It almost seems like there is this need in some people to respond to aggression with aggression. Complying is seen as weakness, giving up. Show strength instead, be tough on the streets. Maybe even a racial or bias against polices, she had to maintain some image of being against "the white male cop". Maybe not but just a thought.

The situation however was entirely in her hands to avoid.

Its not hard to not run away from the cops. If 1 does, then its on u as to what happens after.

No complex thinking needed.

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Its not hard to not run away from the cops. If 1 does, then its on u as to what happens after.

No complex thinking needed.

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I said nothing to absolve the driver of any responsibility. I was merely explaining that in that type of situation the human brain doesn't tend to do a complex pro and con evaluation.

Although it seems common sense to stand in front or back of a car to keep them from fleeing, it's a very bad tactics, basically calling their bluff.  You could tell that lady's intent was to get away as she turned the steering wheel hard and accelerated slow to avoid hitting the officer in front.  If she wanted to kill the officer, she'd slouch down in the seat, floor it, knocking down the officer, and running him over or crushing him with the car in front. 

Two thoughts:
1. In a situation like that the human brain is not so good at complex long term thinking. I doubt she considered her life, her daughter's life, etc. She was probably more worried about getting caught. She might have thought the cop wouldn't actually shoot.
2. It almost seems like there is this need in some people to respond to aggression with aggression. Complying is seen as weakness, giving up. Show strength instead, be tough on the streets. Maybe even a racial or bias against polices, she had to maintain some image of being against "the white male cop". Maybe not but just a thought.

The situation however was entirely in her hands to avoid.

I agree.  If she just complied I'd bet her and her unborn child would be alive today.

I can understand about how blacks are unfairly profiled and treated by some cops so that fear is real and warranted.  But if she really cared for her unborn child and wanted to protect it, she would have thought about the baby above everything else.  But to even say "are you going to shoot me?" puts me at a loss of words.

And I think the cops were jerks in this scenario. And why did they even have their guns out.   

I said nothing to absolve the driver of any responsibility. I was merely explaining that in that type of situation the human brain doesn't tend to do a complex pro and con evaluation.

I know u said nothing absolving the driver, thanks for adding that in.

I am merely explaining that not running from the cops needs no complex thinking skills.

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I can understand about how blacks are unfairly profiled and treated by some cops so that fear is real and warranted. 

So if blacks are afraid of cops, running, arguing,  or not complying will make things better right? As in nothing will escalate. Or the cops will just say "oh well, they ran. Lets just go grab lunch instead of chasing after them".

This is a BS reasoning people give to justify the actions of blacks and give them an excuse.



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So if blacks are afraid of cops, running, arguing,  or not complying will make things better right? As in nothing will escalate. Or the cops will just say "oh well, they ran. Lets just go grab lunch instead of chasing after them".

This is a BS reasoning people give to justify the actions of blacks and give them an excuse.



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If a human being is presented with what they perceive to be a life-threatening situation, and they haven’t previously put in the effort to consider, decide on, and ideally condition, a particular response (i.e., “If I ever find myself in that kind of situation, I need to take a deep breath, do my best to stay calm, and comply with the officer’s instructions.  If the officer seems agitated, I need to do my best to de-escalate the situation.”), their amygdala (sometimes called the “lizard brain”) may override their “executive function” and control the response.  That response is then probably going to be fight, flee, or freeze.

In my opinion, the problem is that so many minority groups have been conditioned to believe that ANY interaction with law enforcement is automatically life threatening for them, resulting in that response triggered by the amygdala.  I think she honestly believed, because of the information she’s ingested, that there was a good chance the police would kill her because she was black, and that significantly affected how she responded.  I’m not excusing her actions, but at the end of the day, catching a headshot for what started as an allegation of shoplifting is not a good outcome for anyone.

Also my opinion, horrible tactics on the part of the officer that took the shot.  If they suspected a violent felony or that she was a threat to others, then sure, stand in front of the car.  Worth it to risk your life, and hers, over allegedly lifting something from Kroger?  I don’t think so.

If a human being is presented with what they perceive to be a life-threatening situation, and they haven’t previously put in the effort to consider, decide on, and ideally condition, a particular response (i.e., “If I ever find myself in that kind of situation, I need to take a deep breath, do my best to stay calm, and comply with the officer’s instructions.  If the officer seems agitated, I need to do my best to de-escalate the situation.”), their amygdala (sometimes called the “lizard brain”) may override their “executive function” and control the response.  That response is then probably going to be fight, flee, or freeze.

In my opinion, the problem is that so many minority groups have been conditioned to believe that ANY interaction with law enforcement is automatically life threatening for them, resulting in that response triggered by the amygdala.  I think she honestly believed, because of the information she’s ingested, that there was a good chance the police would kill her because she was black, and that significantly affected how she responded.  I’m not excusing her actions, but at the end of the day, catching a headshot for what started as an allegation of shoplifting is not a good outcome for anyone.

Also my opinion, horrible tactics on the part of the officer that took the shot.  If they suspected a violent felony or that she was a threat to others, then sure, stand in front of the car.  Worth it to risk your life, and hers, over allegedly lifting something from Kroger?  I don’t think so.

Very well said, that is what I was getting at, thank you for a more detailed explanation

I agree.  If she just complied I'd bet her and her unborn child would be alive today.

I can understand about how blacks are unfairly profiled and treated by some cops so that fear is real and warranted.  But if she really cared for her unborn child and wanted to protect it, she would have thought about the baby above everything else.  But to even say "are you going to shoot me?" puts me at a loss of words.

And I think the cops were jerks in this scenario. And why did they even have their guns out.   

The officer who got in front of the car and then pulled his gun out didn't need to be that aggressive. The other officer was more reasonable, he could have been calmer and explained things differently but I am nitpicking there.

I think the officer at the window drew his gun because the officer in front drew his gun and was in potential danger. He doesn't know what his partner may have seen and he may have seen the lady getting ready to drive the car forwards which would place his partner in danger.

One aspect that I think will be heavily looked at is why they chose to break her window. Was it necessary at that point and if it wasn't, did it make the situation worse? So you have this lady already in an agitated state then you go and smash the window next to her which is going to do more to trigger her fight or flight response and decrease her understanding of the cop's instructions.

One aspect that I think will be heavily looked at is why they chose to break her window. Was it necessary at that point and if it wasn't, did it make the situation worse? So you have this lady already in an agitated state then you go and smash the window next to her which is going to do more to trigger her fight or flight response and decrease her understanding of the cop's instructions.

I don't see a problem with breaking the window at the beginning or end.  At the beginning she's suspected in a crime and resisting a lawful order to get out of the car, so it's be reasonable to do it to stop her from leaving.  She might get some scratches and very minor cuts, but nothing major.

I'd just fault the cop not actually breaking the window when needed.  Maybe cops need to carry glass breakers after all.

I don't see a problem with breaking the window at the beginning or end.  At the beginning she's suspected in a crime and resisting a lawful order to get out of the car, so it's be reasonable to do it to stop her from leaving.  She might get some scratches and very minor cuts, but nothing major.

I'd just fault the cop not actually breaking the window when needed.  Maybe cops need to carry glass breakers after all.

I did not mean anything wrong in the sense that the officers broke any law or policy, only that it may have made the situation worse. If it activated that lizard brain in that woman's head he might have prompted less compliance instead of more.

I did not mean anything wrong in the sense that the officers broke any law or policy, only that it may have made the situation worse. If it activated that lizard brain he might have prompted less compliance instead of more.

Could go either way and it's reasonable to break or not break the window because of what you mentioned.  It is just shoplifting after all, and we don't know if she's even the right person or if she actually shoplifted.

Would be even worse if it turns out they stopped the wrong person.

Could go either way and it's reasonable to break or not break the window because of what you mentioned.  It is just shoplifting after all, and we don't know if she's even the right person or if she actually shoplifted.

Would be even worse if it turns out they stopped the wrong person.

This is why don't run from the cops. They have no clue who you are or your intentions.  And in the end, they want to go home at the end of shift.  Running makes things 10X worst.  But maybe these people like to run or instigate things because they will get paid in the end. So no need work anymore.

Could go either way and it's reasonable to break or not break the window because of what you mentioned.  It is just shoplifting after all, and we don't know if she's even the right person or if she actually shoplifted.

Would be even worse if it turns out they stopped the wrong person.

If she ultimately refused to get out of the car they would have to break the window so it isn't something that unreasonable however I think they should have taken things a little slower, save the window breaking for later.

Another reason to not break the window right away is because if this lady was set on driving the car, reaching in and trying to pull her out can be quite dangerous. Even if the officer broke it on the first try and grabbed onto her arm or something, if she jumped on the gas the officer would have been taken for a ride and could have gotten seriously injured. It just isn't a good tactical decision at that point. If her car had been blocked in by another vehicle then it would have been safer to try.

Another consideration for officers are people who are mentally handicapped or suffering a mental issue. I don't think that was the case with this lady, just saying that those types of situations do exist. There was an officer years ago who tasered (IIRC) someone who refused to get out of the car. Turns out the person was having a seizure or some other type of medical condition that made him either incapable or understanding or of complying. That is another example of why cops need to slow down sometimes. I think had they slowed down they likely would have gotten her compliance.