2A suspended in New Mexico (Read 17154 times)

Sodie

Re: 2A suspended in New Mexico
« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2023, 06:28:41 PM »
It’s interesting that Hawaii has a law specifically prohibiting the government from confiscating lawfully possessed firearms and/or ammunition, and from suspending, revoking, or limiting any permit or license concerning firearms, in the event of an emergency or disaster…

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0007_0002.htm

hvybarrels

Re: 2A suspended in New Mexico
« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2023, 02:42:08 AM »
There's no emergency clause in the constitution, and there were plenty of emergencies going on when it was written.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: 2A suspended in New Mexico
« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2023, 03:15:11 AM »
Since when does "public emergency" grant such unlimited powers?

QUIETShooter

Re: 2A suspended in New Mexico
« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2023, 08:00:09 AM »
Since biden took office?

Hee hee, just kidding.  Or maybe not.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Rocky

Re: 2A suspended in New Mexico
« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2023, 08:45:49 AM »
It’s interesting that Hawaii has a law specifically prohibiting the government from confiscating lawfully possessed firearms and/or ammunition, and from suspending, revoking, or limiting any permit or license concerning firearms, in the event of an emergency or disaster…

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0007_0002.htm

Thank HRA for that one.   :wacko:
You mean you hadn't  been carrying your firearm in a hard sided container with you all the time during the declared covid emergency ?
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macsak

Re: 2A suspended in New Mexico
« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2023, 09:19:24 AM »

changemyoil66

Re: 2A suspended in New Mexico
« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2023, 09:55:08 AM »
Since when does "public emergency" grant such unlimited powers?
Since covid

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changemyoil66

Re: 2A suspended in New Mexico
« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2023, 10:06:11 AM »

This doesnt mean much as she will have their PD enforce and they will do. Iirc, their sheriff also said they wont enforce red flags.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: 2A suspended in New Mexico
« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2023, 10:14:28 AM »
Since when does "public emergency" grant such unlimited powers?

The Resident and other gun haters have been trying to get the CDC to declare the current "epidemic" of gun violence a public health emergency.

Unfortunately for them, they also funded the CDC to study gun violence, and the results have been to dispel the narrative that taking away guns from law abiding people will do anything other than disarm upwards of millions who defend themselves with firearms every year.

When at least as many people protect themselves and others using guns as do criminals cause death and injury with guns, removing one side of that equation means more will shift to the other side of the equal sign.  In other words, the people who fought back would then become victims without the means to defend themselves effectively.

Anyway, they tried forcing doctors to interrogate patients to find out how many own guns. 

The push to make guns a health issue versus crime issue is not new at alll.

Does declaring an emergency allow the state to walk over the 2nd Amendment?  Apparently there are many who believe it does -- else why try so hard to get the CDC to make the declaration?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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Sodie

Re: 2A suspended in New Mexico
« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2023, 10:22:10 AM »
Not to minimize the issue, but I expect a TRO on enforcement early in the week.  Nothing is ever 100% sure, but any court that looks at this really can’t help but see the likelihood of a lawsuit to succeed on the merits, and the irreparable harm if the order isn’t restrained/enjoined.

In any case, she got her name in the news… so one objective accomplished.

dafrtknocker

Re: 2A suspended in New Mexico
« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2023, 10:34:14 AM »
Even she knows criminals will not follow rules.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nra-slams-democratic-governors-gun-order-issues-advice-what-could-actually-fix-crime-issue

The reporter went on to ask the Democratic governor whether she believed criminals would follow her orders on the 30-day suspension.

"Uh, no," she responded, adding that the rule sends a "pretty resounding message" to the community to report crimes and aide law enforcement.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: 2A suspended in New Mexico
« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2023, 10:41:49 AM »
Even she knows criminals will not follow rules.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nra-slams-democratic-governors-gun-order-issues-advice-what-could-actually-fix-crime-issue

The reporter went on to ask the Democratic governor whether she believed criminals would follow her orders on the 30-day suspension.

"Uh, no," she responded, adding that the rule sends a "pretty resounding message" to the community to report crimes and aide law enforcement.

She listed a bunch of justice-related agencies that she's putting on notice to step up their crime prevention/interdiction activities by passing this unconstitutional edict. 

Why would anyone violate the constitutional rights of every citizen just to send a message to people who work for her?  What has she done in the past to send this "message" which went ignored? 

This is like saying I set fire to my house because the rest of the family won't clean the kitchen when it's their night.

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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QUIETShooter

Re: 2A suspended in New Mexico
« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2023, 01:33:08 PM »
Even she knows criminals will not follow rules.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nra-slams-democratic-governors-gun-order-issues-advice-what-could-actually-fix-crime-issue

The reporter went on to ask the Democratic governor whether she believed criminals would follow her orders on the 30-day suspension.

"Uh, no," she responded, adding that the rule sends a "pretty resounding message" to the community to report crimes and aide law enforcement.

While getting injured, raped, or killed by the criminals she acknowledged would not follow her order of a 30 day suspension.

farkyu lady.  Like I said earlier, go after the people, not the guns you fricken idiot.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: 2A suspended in New Mexico
« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2023, 01:50:27 PM »
While getting injured, raped, or killed by the criminals she acknowledged would not follow her order of a 30 day suspension.

farkyu lady.  Like I said earlier, go after the people, not the guns you fricken idiot.

According to her explanation, this is how she's getting LE agencies to go after the criminals -- by sending a message to step up efforts and add resources to go after criminals.

What's she's actually done instead is show what a weak governor she is (can't get cooperation from LE without causing a constitutional crisis), and shown that she knows nothing about constitutional rights.

This is reminding me of the nursery rhyme/song There Was an Old Lady Who Swallowed a Fly.  She kept causing bigger problems by trying more extreme solutions until it finally ended her.  Had she focused on the initial problem and solved it rationally, the song would have been much shorter and had a positive outcome.   :rofl:

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Gordyf

Re: 2A suspended in New Mexico
« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2023, 04:35:37 PM »
Two National organizations have filed suit, GOA and The National association of Gun Rights according to Breitbart.
The NRA is conspicuous by its absence. What's up with that?
Once again they  Sayeth Naught.?
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Gordy

Flapp_Jackson

Re: 2A suspended in New Mexico
« Reply #35 on: September 10, 2023, 04:43:50 PM »
Two National organizations have filed suit, GOA and The National association of Gun Rights according to Breitbart.
The NRA is conspicuous by its absence. What's up with that?
Once again they  Sayeth Naught.?

The NRA's marketing department is trying to figure out whether the issue is going to be good fundraising issue or not.

They are also focus-group-testing a variety of alternative solutions, such as having the ban only last 1 or 2 weeks versus a month.

More than likely, they are waiting to see what happens with complaints filed by others next week before spending their money on a lawsuit that's redundant whether or not it's bound to prevail.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: 2A suspended in New Mexico
« Reply #36 on: September 10, 2023, 06:01:27 PM »
Sounds like at least some gun owners in NM are not willing to comply.

I hope some of them get arrested and sue the pants off of NM for intentional civil rights violations.

These anti-gun, incompetent clowns running blue states need to feel the consequences of their stupidity.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

groveler

Re: 2A suspended in New Mexico
« Reply #37 on: September 10, 2023, 07:48:48 PM »
Sounds like at least some gun owners in NM are not willing to comply.

I hope some of them get arrested and sue the pants off of NM for intentional civil rights violations.

These anti-gun, incompetent clowns running blue states need to feel the consequences of their stupidity.


"These anti-gun, incompetent clowns running blue states need to feel the consequences of their stupidity."
Y'all know that isn't going to happen.
These Democrats count on "processing you through the system"
to economically break you.
They know they can't win on ethics but they can use lawyers to break you.
you are stupid enough to play their game. :wtf:


Flapp_Jackson

Re: 2A suspended in New Mexico
« Reply #38 on: September 10, 2023, 07:51:09 PM »
"These anti-gun, incompetent clowns running blue states need to feel the consequences of their stupidity."
Y'all know that isn't going to happen.
These Democrats count on "processing you through the system"
to economically break you.
They know they can't win on ethics but they can use lawyers to break you.
you are stupid enough to play their game. :wtf:

We'll see.  There are already impeachment talks by legislators.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

groveler

Re: 2A suspended in New Mexico
« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2023, 07:58:36 PM »
We'll see.  There are already impeachment talks by legislators.
Talk is cheap.
Kinetic action is real.
I don't think the Romanov's were impeached, they were eliminated.
 :thumbsup: